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Brightlance warheads?

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I know there's an xray laser type warhead for missiles in traveller that basically fires an xray laser at a target from a distance so as to be able to hurt it from outside point defend range.

I haven't been able to find a specific name for them, and was wondering if they could be called "bright lance" warheads as a popular nickname.

Any ideas on that?
 
I know there's an xray laser type warhead for missiles in traveller that basically fires an xray laser at a target from a distance so as to be able to hurt it from outside point defend range.

I haven't been able to find a specific name for them, and was wondering if they could be called "bright lance" warheads as a popular nickname.

Any ideas on that?

Yeah. The name is already taken. Brightlance and Darklance are weapons from 40K. :)

I've only seen them referred to as bomb pumped lasers (bpl).

It isn't a traveller thing. I don't know if we've tested them (so they might just be theoretical) but they are real world weapons.

More detail
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1323825
 
Yeah. The name is already taken. Brightlance and Darklance are weapons from 40K. :)

I've only seen them referred to as bomb pumped lasers (bpl).

It isn't a traveller thing. I don't know if we've tested them (so they might just be theoretical) but they are real world weapons.

More detail
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1323825

Didn't traveller have a game called "bright lances" years before GW used the name for the eldar?

EDIT: I found out it was "Billliant lances" instead...
 
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det-laser missiles, carrying bomb-pumped laser warheads.

Used in TNE (including/especially Brilliant Lances)
 
I might go with the term "brilliant lance warhead" or "detonation laser".
 
Yeah I could see Bright-Lance being used.

Weren't they in 2300AD before Traveller? Thanks for the link Vel, I hadn't been aware that they were proposed/tested in real life. Thats kinda cool.
 
I think they were first conceptualized during Reagan's Anti-missile defense initiative ("Star Wars"). Said weapons would orbit above the U.S. (geosynchronus), and be activated during a Soviet strike.

The idea is that an explosion (low yield nuclear) would power essentiall a one-shot weapon, which would focus a portion of the energy onto an incoming target.

My only beef was how do you keep from destroying the weapon itself when its triggered? It sounded like a pretty lame idea to me at the time, and still doesn't strike me as being all that "brilliant" (to coin a phrase).
 
I think they were first conceptualized during Reagan's Anti-missile defense initiative ("Star Wars"). Said weapons would orbit above the U.S. (geosynchronus), and be activated during a Soviet strike.

The idea is that an explosion (low yield nuclear) would power essentiall a one-shot weapon, which would focus a portion of the energy onto an incoming target.

My only beef was how do you keep from destroying the weapon itself when its triggered? It sounded like a pretty lame idea to me at the time, and still doesn't strike me as being all that "brilliant" (to coin a phrase).

Actually the weapon would be destroyed by firing it, the idea as I recall was rods made of some material that emitted xrays at extreme temperatures would be placed tail on towards a small nuke, and as the expanding heatwave from the detonation vaporized them they'd generate xrays.

How they lased the xrays I have no idea....
 
The whole point was that while the weapon is destroyed in the process, the nuclear blast is the "cheapest" way to create the power necessary to power such a weapon. It's lighter, and more powerful than anything else. If you can have multiple "rods" that are independently targetable (within some arc restriction, naturally), you may well get several lasers pumped out of a single device. If each device can take out, say, 4 missiles, that's not so bad a trade off.

The were used in "Brilliant Lances"/TNE as basically in lieu of a what we would consider a standard missile today.

The premise simply being that the ability to actually IMPACT another object, specifically at space speeds, is vastly more difficult than getting "something close" that can then fire and use lasers at the terminal point to "catch up" and compensate for the various accumulated errors garnered during tracking and pursuit.

Also, of course, if you can actually reliably impact something at standard space speed with something else, the warhead is mostly irrelevant -- just send slugs and make them kinetic energy kill weapons instead.

Bomb pumped lasers give you more "bang/buck" in terms of actual energy delivered to a target, again, in space, than a normal nuclear explosion. Nuclear explosions are very hot and very radiation intensive, but their real value on the ground is all that nice dense air to heat up and compress. Vacuum doesn't perpetuate the explosion as well, so the lasers help concentrate that wasted energy in to a more focused form, and thereby making them more lethal and easier to do damage with than a simple nuke. The contact range is greater (i.e. it can go off farther from the target) and more energy can be delivered.
 
They explained the use of detonation warheads in the notes somewhere - they contrasted the near-godlike ability to detect and track a wildly-maneuvering target at light-second ranges, AND slew your weapon over the exact correct micro-arc to deliver energy in a 'point' on that evading target, instead of a 'stripe' down the side that might scorch the paint but would not do any real damage.

That's to shoot one ship from another - if you're the target ship, and you've got missiles inbound, and all you have to do is point at them as they desperately attempt to match vectors with you, shooting them down is pig simple with a fire-control system that can do the above.

So the standoff detonation-laser focused the energy of nukes into x-ray lasers that were fired from outside a ship's 'auto-kill' range, but closer than you wanted to get with your own ship.

That's all from what I remember of reading the design notes back in the day.
 
As a side note, they use the hell out of these in the "honor harrington" series.

BTW, I think I've come up with a name, but I'll surprise you with it. I should get to the it with them in a few issues, tho it might take a while to do them as they're more graphic intense, like with some more effects and such.
 
Actually the weapon would be destroyed by firing it, the idea as I recall was rods made of some material that emitted xrays at extreme temperatures would be placed tail on towards a small nuke, and as the expanding heatwave from the detonation vaporized them they'd generate xrays.

How they lased the xrays I have no idea....

Ohhhhhhhhh. Interesting. Last I heard getting X-rays to LASE was solved as of ten years ago (maybe longer... can't remember).
 
Ohhhhhhhhh. Interesting. Last I heard getting X-rays to LASE was solved as of ten years ago (maybe longer... can't remember).
Maybe they did in small amounts, but getting the energy of a tacnuke to produce xrays AND lase might be the tricky part.
 
My limited understanding was they were just a nuke with an iron rod sticking on the side. The gamma pentrates the iron rod and the rod focuses and lases. The bomb and the rod evaporate during firing, that it lases as it evaporates, so its more a bullet or artillary weapon. Might make an interesting mine weapon.
 
Maybe they did in small amounts, but getting the energy of a tacnuke to produce xrays AND lase might be the tricky part.

Actual X-ray LASERs are now a reality in the laboratories (probably on some field test equipment too), but these guys aren't powered by a tac-nuke. They're not brilliant lances in the ABM and Traveller sense. They're either airborne or land based LASERs. I heard a micro debate about it on NPR between the Federation of American Scientists and some USAF types. The watchdog group was denying their viability, while the air force guys just fielded technical questions.

Sorry I wasn't clear. My bad :)
 
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