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Black Duke

The character of Dulinor is one of the aspects of the Traveller universe that has intersested me the most. What we know of him is from the meagre descrtiption from the MT Players manual, Rebellion Sourcebook, Hard Times, and Survival Margin.

His idealism and desire for a better Imperium led him to assasinate the leader of the status quo, Strephon. To bring about the changes he wanted for all, and understanding what we know of Imperial precedents, he had to take this actions to bring about drastic changes.

How did he create loyalty in his domain? How did he carry on the war so long? Was he a charismatic and dynamic personality? What is his family background and early career like? It would be interesting effort to explore the man and flesh him out more.
 
Originally posted by robject:
Nope, that's ol' what's-his-face's outline. Roger Sanger. It's pretty certain that he'll never give it up.
That's too bad. I actually interacted with him in an eBay transaction not too long ago. He is apparently selling some of his Traveller stuff.

Apparently not the stuff we REALLY want. ;)
 
Originally posted by robject:
Nope, that's ol' what's-his-face's outline. Roger Sanger. It's pretty certain that he'll never give it up.
That's too bad. I actually interacted with him in an eBay transaction not too long ago. He is apparently selling some of his Traveller stuff.

Apparently not the stuff we REALLY want. ;)
 
Originally posted by robject:
Nope, that's ol' what's-his-face's outline. Roger Sanger. It's pretty certain that he'll never give it up.
That's too bad. I actually interacted with him in an eBay transaction not too long ago. He is apparently selling some of his Traveller stuff.

Apparently not the stuff we REALLY want. ;)
 
To me, Dulinor is a tragic figure first and foremost. He had ideals, very high ideals, and a genuine desire to improve the life of the avarage Imperial citizen. But he could not break away from his heritage, from his Noble upbringing, from the tempting and corrupting power of his post as High Noble. He fought against the inherent injustice of aristocratic rule, but he fought as an aristocrat, using the methods of the aristocracy.

And where do we see the influence of his Noble birth over his actions?
1) Faced with conservative Noble opposition to his reforms, he could have appealed to the masses, he could have relied on the people in his struggle against the aristocracy; in other words, he could have tried to rally the masses to his banner and declare independence for Ilelish against the Imperium. But he didn't. Instead, he tried to change things using "ordinary channels", to completely ignore the people he fought for and instead try to resolve this conflict in the traditional way of Nobles - that is, attempting to take the Throne by the right of assasination.
2) Once in power in Ilelish (after killing Strephon, that is), he could have conceded many of his powers to the people (that is, to elected bodies), he could have abdicted and call for the creation of a parliament in his place. But he didn't. He could not part with his power; he continued to rule his faction more or less in the autocratic manner to which he was used. The few reforms he've passed were given from "above"; and his administration remained a monarchy and run in an autocratic way - hell, he even had no problems with his brother being his chief admiral.
3) When the war got prolonged he could have listened to the people and try to sign a cease-fire with Lucan, or, atleast, concentrate more on defense and not waste taxpayer money on his Inaguration Fleet. When the Verge Combine seceded, this couldn't be too clear. Instead, he ignored the pressure from below and stuck to his own goals.
4) Dulinor's regime grew more and more opressive as the war went badly and he was afraid of losing control; he crushed any opposition and any dissenting voice, quite contrary to what was (probably) his original ideal of democracy. He became much like the system he fought, first and foremost because he was part of that system, belonged to it lock, stock and barrel.

Some people could break with their heritage and upbringing; but this is a difficult task. In that task Dulinor has failed.

Another aspect of this tragedy is the fact that he was trying to revive an Imperium which was already dead from inside, or very close to death; and, worse, he was trying to change it from within the system while knowing (to some degree or another) that the system was rotten in its core. The economical engine of the Imperium, which was interstellar expansion and colonization, was long dead; and with constant borders things began to stagnate. The Imperial system was no longer doing its job - nobles were in many cases nothing but petty schemers out to maximize their own profits (political and economic), megacorps were monopolistic and monolithic monstrosities of bureaucracy, and all the strengths of the Imperial system were turning into weaknesses. It was not the time to reform the system; it was high time to replace it. Neither Strephon nor Dulinor nor Norris could fully grasp this, but Dulinor's errors were the most tragic, especially since he came so close to the truth, only to turn back and return to being part of that dying system.
 
To me, Dulinor is a tragic figure first and foremost. He had ideals, very high ideals, and a genuine desire to improve the life of the avarage Imperial citizen. But he could not break away from his heritage, from his Noble upbringing, from the tempting and corrupting power of his post as High Noble. He fought against the inherent injustice of aristocratic rule, but he fought as an aristocrat, using the methods of the aristocracy.

And where do we see the influence of his Noble birth over his actions?
1) Faced with conservative Noble opposition to his reforms, he could have appealed to the masses, he could have relied on the people in his struggle against the aristocracy; in other words, he could have tried to rally the masses to his banner and declare independence for Ilelish against the Imperium. But he didn't. Instead, he tried to change things using "ordinary channels", to completely ignore the people he fought for and instead try to resolve this conflict in the traditional way of Nobles - that is, attempting to take the Throne by the right of assasination.
2) Once in power in Ilelish (after killing Strephon, that is), he could have conceded many of his powers to the people (that is, to elected bodies), he could have abdicted and call for the creation of a parliament in his place. But he didn't. He could not part with his power; he continued to rule his faction more or less in the autocratic manner to which he was used. The few reforms he've passed were given from "above"; and his administration remained a monarchy and run in an autocratic way - hell, he even had no problems with his brother being his chief admiral.
3) When the war got prolonged he could have listened to the people and try to sign a cease-fire with Lucan, or, atleast, concentrate more on defense and not waste taxpayer money on his Inaguration Fleet. When the Verge Combine seceded, this couldn't be too clear. Instead, he ignored the pressure from below and stuck to his own goals.
4) Dulinor's regime grew more and more opressive as the war went badly and he was afraid of losing control; he crushed any opposition and any dissenting voice, quite contrary to what was (probably) his original ideal of democracy. He became much like the system he fought, first and foremost because he was part of that system, belonged to it lock, stock and barrel.

Some people could break with their heritage and upbringing; but this is a difficult task. In that task Dulinor has failed.

Another aspect of this tragedy is the fact that he was trying to revive an Imperium which was already dead from inside, or very close to death; and, worse, he was trying to change it from within the system while knowing (to some degree or another) that the system was rotten in its core. The economical engine of the Imperium, which was interstellar expansion and colonization, was long dead; and with constant borders things began to stagnate. The Imperial system was no longer doing its job - nobles were in many cases nothing but petty schemers out to maximize their own profits (political and economic), megacorps were monopolistic and monolithic monstrosities of bureaucracy, and all the strengths of the Imperial system were turning into weaknesses. It was not the time to reform the system; it was high time to replace it. Neither Strephon nor Dulinor nor Norris could fully grasp this, but Dulinor's errors were the most tragic, especially since he came so close to the truth, only to turn back and return to being part of that dying system.
 
To me, Dulinor is a tragic figure first and foremost. He had ideals, very high ideals, and a genuine desire to improve the life of the avarage Imperial citizen. But he could not break away from his heritage, from his Noble upbringing, from the tempting and corrupting power of his post as High Noble. He fought against the inherent injustice of aristocratic rule, but he fought as an aristocrat, using the methods of the aristocracy.

And where do we see the influence of his Noble birth over his actions?
1) Faced with conservative Noble opposition to his reforms, he could have appealed to the masses, he could have relied on the people in his struggle against the aristocracy; in other words, he could have tried to rally the masses to his banner and declare independence for Ilelish against the Imperium. But he didn't. Instead, he tried to change things using "ordinary channels", to completely ignore the people he fought for and instead try to resolve this conflict in the traditional way of Nobles - that is, attempting to take the Throne by the right of assasination.
2) Once in power in Ilelish (after killing Strephon, that is), he could have conceded many of his powers to the people (that is, to elected bodies), he could have abdicted and call for the creation of a parliament in his place. But he didn't. He could not part with his power; he continued to rule his faction more or less in the autocratic manner to which he was used. The few reforms he've passed were given from "above"; and his administration remained a monarchy and run in an autocratic way - hell, he even had no problems with his brother being his chief admiral.
3) When the war got prolonged he could have listened to the people and try to sign a cease-fire with Lucan, or, atleast, concentrate more on defense and not waste taxpayer money on his Inaguration Fleet. When the Verge Combine seceded, this couldn't be too clear. Instead, he ignored the pressure from below and stuck to his own goals.
4) Dulinor's regime grew more and more opressive as the war went badly and he was afraid of losing control; he crushed any opposition and any dissenting voice, quite contrary to what was (probably) his original ideal of democracy. He became much like the system he fought, first and foremost because he was part of that system, belonged to it lock, stock and barrel.

Some people could break with their heritage and upbringing; but this is a difficult task. In that task Dulinor has failed.

Another aspect of this tragedy is the fact that he was trying to revive an Imperium which was already dead from inside, or very close to death; and, worse, he was trying to change it from within the system while knowing (to some degree or another) that the system was rotten in its core. The economical engine of the Imperium, which was interstellar expansion and colonization, was long dead; and with constant borders things began to stagnate. The Imperial system was no longer doing its job - nobles were in many cases nothing but petty schemers out to maximize their own profits (political and economic), megacorps were monopolistic and monolithic monstrosities of bureaucracy, and all the strengths of the Imperial system were turning into weaknesses. It was not the time to reform the system; it was high time to replace it. Neither Strephon nor Dulinor nor Norris could fully grasp this, but Dulinor's errors were the most tragic, especially since he came so close to the truth, only to turn back and return to being part of that dying system.
 
Not only is he a tragic figure, he's borderline incompetent.

If he'd taken and held capital, there'd (logically) be a continuing third imperium.

Now, Roger Sanger isn't a bad chap, but he does have an over-inflated idea of traveller (and gaming as a whole's) profit margins and value-of-IP's...
 
Not only is he a tragic figure, he's borderline incompetent.

If he'd taken and held capital, there'd (logically) be a continuing third imperium.

Now, Roger Sanger isn't a bad chap, but he does have an over-inflated idea of traveller (and gaming as a whole's) profit margins and value-of-IP's...
 
Not only is he a tragic figure, he's borderline incompetent.

If he'd taken and held capital, there'd (logically) be a continuing third imperium.

Now, Roger Sanger isn't a bad chap, but he does have an over-inflated idea of traveller (and gaming as a whole's) profit margins and value-of-IP's...
 
If Joe Fugate and his team were interested to do this after all this time, "Black Duke"'d be a nice project to Kickstart next. That and Dave Nilsens "Into the belly of the Beast"
 
FEE owns the "story", Roger Sanger owns the words DGP published, and FFE owns the words published by GDW.

Unpublished DGP stuff is a gray zone.
 
Assuming the title ("The Black Duke") and the outline as it appears is owned by Roger Sanger, then it sounds like the adventure is out. However, I can imagine a nonlinear plotline that has similar elements, but isn't the same, yet could be a reasonable stand-in for the adventure.

Not even filing off the serial numbers -- it would be quite a different adventure -- but resembling the original concept in some ways. It could still be in Ilelish. It could still involve NPCs in similar positions. I think the main difference is that it would revolve around the NPCs and their agendas, rather than railroaded scenarios.
 
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