Beretta RX4
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Well designed is well designed.
If a feature has reason behind it it will eventually look OK. The P90 looks ugly until you realise what it is designed for (capacity and compactness - at the expense of ergonomics and barrel length).
Oddities that look a bit odd to me, and may indicate what the weapon is optimised for.
The stock
Collapsing/folding stocks make a lot of sense for storage. Solid stocks make sense from a ruggedness point of view. This stock appears to be slightly collapsible and probably removeable (the wheel lock mechanism just behind and above the trigger I assume it to detach the grip and/or stock). There is a button on the stock which I assume is to allow the stock to be recalibrated by sliding up to rest on the back of the weapon, or out to accomodate those of larger stature. Depending on the kick of the weapon this could be a problem, as a 5.56 I wouldn't worry, this type of stock on a .50 or shotgun I wouldn't implicitly trust depending on the lock mechanism.
Another possibility is putting a spring mechanism into the stock. This would be an intriguing option of questionable worth, more appropriate for an enormous kick weapon (PGMP's for example).
Sights
Enormous iron sights looking vaguely like the dorsal fin on a shark seem a little over the top. Like a return to a 1950's car fins. I can see why (to lift the sights over the mounting rail) but something more subtle should have been acheivable. The sight mounting rail looks fairly standard, though it looks like a low height scope might be partially occluded by the rear iron sight. That might be just my perception though.
The bolt.
Something looks wrong there. I can't quite put my finger on it though. Lots of open grooves that I am unsure of why they are there.
Foregrip.
Chunky enough to mount a small grenade launcher in. Also chunky enough to keep the barrel down as well potentially. The attachment points for a bipod are also a nice touch (I assume that is what the open grooves at the very front are for, they might just be venting).
To me it looks like an attempt to muscle in to the military carbine market, an area already overly full.
Just my 0.02 creds
If a feature has reason behind it it will eventually look OK. The P90 looks ugly until you realise what it is designed for (capacity and compactness - at the expense of ergonomics and barrel length).
Oddities that look a bit odd to me, and may indicate what the weapon is optimised for.
The stock
Collapsing/folding stocks make a lot of sense for storage. Solid stocks make sense from a ruggedness point of view. This stock appears to be slightly collapsible and probably removeable (the wheel lock mechanism just behind and above the trigger I assume it to detach the grip and/or stock). There is a button on the stock which I assume is to allow the stock to be recalibrated by sliding up to rest on the back of the weapon, or out to accomodate those of larger stature. Depending on the kick of the weapon this could be a problem, as a 5.56 I wouldn't worry, this type of stock on a .50 or shotgun I wouldn't implicitly trust depending on the lock mechanism.
Another possibility is putting a spring mechanism into the stock. This would be an intriguing option of questionable worth, more appropriate for an enormous kick weapon (PGMP's for example).
Sights
Enormous iron sights looking vaguely like the dorsal fin on a shark seem a little over the top. Like a return to a 1950's car fins. I can see why (to lift the sights over the mounting rail) but something more subtle should have been acheivable. The sight mounting rail looks fairly standard, though it looks like a low height scope might be partially occluded by the rear iron sight. That might be just my perception though.
The bolt.
Something looks wrong there. I can't quite put my finger on it though. Lots of open grooves that I am unsure of why they are there.
Foregrip.
Chunky enough to mount a small grenade launcher in. Also chunky enough to keep the barrel down as well potentially. The attachment points for a bipod are also a nice touch (I assume that is what the open grooves at the very front are for, they might just be venting).
To me it looks like an attempt to muscle in to the military carbine market, an area already overly full.
Just my 0.02 creds
Fritz_Brown
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Veltyen, I wonder if the funky bolt groove (up, back, down, back some more) is because the full forward position has some relationship to "unloaded". To charge, you pull the handle up and back. Once its ALL the way back, you let go - the bolt only goes as far forward as the first notch and cycles back and forth from that position. (Give me a break, I'm guessing here....)
Looks like the buttstock came from the Benelli M1014 shotgun.
Swoopy looking. The Benelli R-1 looks like a arche-type for the Book 1 "Rifle", and fires 30-06 class cartridges.
I think the RX4 is supposed to replace the Beretta 70/90 in the Italian Army, so it counts as an assault rifle. I have read some accounts that say the action is borrowed from the German G36, but I think they are guessing.
Swoopy looking. The Benelli R-1 looks like a arche-type for the Book 1 "Rifle", and fires 30-06 class cartridges.
I think the RX4 is supposed to replace the Beretta 70/90 in the Italian Army, so it counts as an assault rifle. I have read some accounts that say the action is borrowed from the German G36, but I think they are guessing.
My sources tell me the action is identical to the R1, which uses the same system as the Benelli M4. More info on the R1 here:
http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/r1.tpl
http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/r1.tpl
Could well be. Benelli is more technically innovative, Beretta has the government contacts and manufacturing capacity. It certainly has the Benelli butt-stock.
Apparently in 5.56, but I have never seen it with a magazine.
This is the CX-4, a simple blowback carbine in pistol calibers for police use. Mechanically not related, but similar in superficial style.
Apparently in 5.56, but I have never seen it with a magazine.
This is the CX-4, a simple blowback carbine in pistol calibers for police use. Mechanically not related, but similar in superficial style.
Fritz_Brown
Super Moderator
In this picture, it doesn't look like the bolt goes up/back/down/back - it just looks like a really large breech. Lighting is everything, huh.
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