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Aslan claws... something that has bothered me for 20 years

1) the cover illo isn't clear that it's offcenter on the male, nor is it clear that it's centered. The illo is not conclusive. It does, however, establish the location of the dew-claw, and that the thumb extends PAST the extended claw.

The female wopuld tend, however, be slightly more towards the off-center thumb, although, it is agaain not explicit.
2) a much more clear illo of the central thumb is in Solomani and Aslan.
3) The vargr, unlike all other published Traveller Aliens LITERALLY ARE WOLVES with a 300 KYA uplift.

4) You're the one wanting to overturn canon, jamus.
 
1) the cover illo isn't clear that it's offcenter on the male, nor is it clear that it's centered. The illo is not conclusive. It does, however, establish the location of the dew-claw, and that the thumb extends PAST the extended claw.

The female wopuld tend, however, be slightly more towards the off-center thumb, although, it is agaain not explicit.
2) a much more clear illo of the central thumb is in Solomani and Aslan.
3) The vargr, unlike all other published Traveller Aliens LITERALLY ARE WOLVES with a 300 KYA uplift.

4) You're the one wanting to overturn canon, jamus.
 
You're the one wanting to overturn canon, jamus.
Indeed I am, where the canon seems illogical or poorly conceived then I do want to over turn those parts that I find unbelievable.

The aslan males thumb is clearly off center as is the females. the claw is clearly in an unusable and ludicrous location, a set up that is not optimal for a large pouncer and is clearly just a cosmetic change to try and make the Aslan seem more alien. something that was not and is not needed..

since AM1 and S&A were written after other material with info on aslan I would say Canon has changed Canon does change Canon will change.


3) The vargr, unlike all other published Traveller Aliens LITERALLY ARE WOLVES with a 300 KYA uplift.
one could argue that humans are simply simians with a few hundred thousand years of uplift but uplift through natural selection. Aslan are lion-like pouncer carnivores with a few hundred thousand years of uplift by evolution also.
 
You're the one wanting to overturn canon, jamus.
Indeed I am, where the canon seems illogical or poorly conceived then I do want to over turn those parts that I find unbelievable.

The aslan males thumb is clearly off center as is the females. the claw is clearly in an unusable and ludicrous location, a set up that is not optimal for a large pouncer and is clearly just a cosmetic change to try and make the Aslan seem more alien. something that was not and is not needed..

since AM1 and S&A were written after other material with info on aslan I would say Canon has changed Canon does change Canon will change.


3) The vargr, unlike all other published Traveller Aliens LITERALLY ARE WOLVES with a 300 KYA uplift.
one could argue that humans are simply simians with a few hundred thousand years of uplift but uplift through natural selection. Aslan are lion-like pouncer carnivores with a few hundred thousand years of uplift by evolution also.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
2) a much more clear illo of the central thumb is in Solomani and Aslan.
Well, considering that S&A was done by DGP, with their well-known reputation for occationally screwing things up for no apparent reason, the illo could easily be another of those mistakes.

The fact of the matter is that exactly what an Aslan dewclaw is, has been inconsistently described and shown. Consequently, I don't see where the argument is. The dewclaw works however the GM needs it to, to make sense for his players.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
2) a much more clear illo of the central thumb is in Solomani and Aslan.
Well, considering that S&A was done by DGP, with their well-known reputation for occationally screwing things up for no apparent reason, the illo could easily be another of those mistakes.

The fact of the matter is that exactly what an Aslan dewclaw is, has been inconsistently described and shown. Consequently, I don't see where the argument is. The dewclaw works however the GM needs it to, to make sense for his players.
 
The dewclaw works however the GM needs it to, to make sense for his players.
well said sir. I do hope this isnt an argument but rather a friendly debate between myself and persons I have the uptmost respect for.

I prefer my Aslan to be large fierce honor driven warriors derived from a pouncer that closely resembles a terran lion. thats how it is imtu.

As a side note IMTU the Aslan are at war pretty much constantly with all of their neighbors and even with each other as clans push outward or settle vendetta amongst their own kind over matters of honor or to gain more territory.

The Aslan are involved in a three way war with solomani and the 3rd imperium in the reavers deep sector, every planet is a potential battlezone and traders and mercs will find ample opertunities to make a few creds be it fighting the raiding aslan clan fleets, putting down inserrections on an imperial world for the emperor, or supplying or leading inserrections for the solomani.

added to this mess are a half dozen pocket empires, client states and independant worlds who also get involved in wars and trade as well as the Mega corps from sol and 3rd Imp. I picture reavers deep as a true frontier with numerous invaders pushing against one another for supremacy.

In combat I see the Aslan as a blend between the preditor<from the movie> and a spartan soldier, they have high tech gear, they use combat armor, they favor killing their enemy face to face, and they never surrender nor show fear. An Aslan warrior will always fight to the death if retreat is not an option. Aslan soldiers are generally the equal of anything the humans in the area can field. Aslan favor combat at night and field a high number of infiltrators and special operations troops to disrupt and destroy enemy command and control.

In space Aslan IMTU favor big ships and swarms of fighters. fighters allow for a sence of the duel and personal honor is gained from red misting an enemy ship while larger ships are viewed as a neccesity.
 
The dewclaw works however the GM needs it to, to make sense for his players.
well said sir. I do hope this isnt an argument but rather a friendly debate between myself and persons I have the uptmost respect for.

I prefer my Aslan to be large fierce honor driven warriors derived from a pouncer that closely resembles a terran lion. thats how it is imtu.

As a side note IMTU the Aslan are at war pretty much constantly with all of their neighbors and even with each other as clans push outward or settle vendetta amongst their own kind over matters of honor or to gain more territory.

The Aslan are involved in a three way war with solomani and the 3rd imperium in the reavers deep sector, every planet is a potential battlezone and traders and mercs will find ample opertunities to make a few creds be it fighting the raiding aslan clan fleets, putting down inserrections on an imperial world for the emperor, or supplying or leading inserrections for the solomani.

added to this mess are a half dozen pocket empires, client states and independant worlds who also get involved in wars and trade as well as the Mega corps from sol and 3rd Imp. I picture reavers deep as a true frontier with numerous invaders pushing against one another for supremacy.

In combat I see the Aslan as a blend between the preditor<from the movie> and a spartan soldier, they have high tech gear, they use combat armor, they favor killing their enemy face to face, and they never surrender nor show fear. An Aslan warrior will always fight to the death if retreat is not an option. Aslan soldiers are generally the equal of anything the humans in the area can field. Aslan favor combat at night and field a high number of infiltrators and special operations troops to disrupt and destroy enemy command and control.

In space Aslan IMTU favor big ships and swarms of fighters. fighters allow for a sence of the duel and personal honor is gained from red misting an enemy ship while larger ships are viewed as a neccesity.
 
Originally posted by Jamus:

In space Aslan IMTU favor big ships and swarms of fighters. fighters allow for a sence of the duel and personal honor is gained from red misting an enemy ship while larger ships are viewed as a neccesity.
This is more or less the concept for the Aslan in the fleets I'm making for them in Power Projection:Fleet. Lots of fighters because it gives all the males a feeling of personal combat and because the females feel it's far more economical to lose a bunch of fighters than larger warships. Although I have also designed a number of escort-size ships with lots of standard weapons batteries to deal with all those fighters.

Of course, since there's no such thing as an Aslan Hierate Navy, there's no such thing as a "standard" Aslan design concept for a fleet either. Different clans go their own way and make their own ships.
 
Originally posted by Jamus:

In space Aslan IMTU favor big ships and swarms of fighters. fighters allow for a sence of the duel and personal honor is gained from red misting an enemy ship while larger ships are viewed as a neccesity.
This is more or less the concept for the Aslan in the fleets I'm making for them in Power Projection:Fleet. Lots of fighters because it gives all the males a feeling of personal combat and because the females feel it's far more economical to lose a bunch of fighters than larger warships. Although I have also designed a number of escort-size ships with lots of standard weapons batteries to deal with all those fighters.

Of course, since there's no such thing as an Aslan Hierate Navy, there's no such thing as a "standard" Aslan design concept for a fleet either. Different clans go their own way and make their own ships.
 
Know what I want to see? Aslan space fighters with giant superdense dew claws for raking attacks on enemy ships. Fly by at a full 6G heavy and rake open the hull. Rip the fuel tanks to shreds. Yeah, retractable can openers on Aslan space fighters! Ooh! Aslan space duels of honor with them too. Yeah!

Sorry 'bout that, imagination overload


But seriously...
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Know what I want to see? Aslan space fighters with giant superdense dew claws for raking attacks on enemy ships. Fly by at a full 6G heavy and rake open the hull. Rip the fuel tanks to shreds. Yeah, retractable can openers on Aslan space fighters! Ooh! Aslan space duels of honor with them too. Yeah!

Sorry 'bout that, imagination overload


But seriously...
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As long as the claw is cat like and attached to the end of the ship and not the middle jack knife fashion i have no problem with that.
 
As long as the claw is cat like and attached to the end of the ship and not the middle jack knife fashion i have no problem with that.
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamus:
Aramis..
love the pic but still dont see that style of hand on a feline type pouncer.
But I'm pretty sure the Aslan alien modules all mention that they are NOT feline, that was just a human centric lable from the time of first contact. Aslan are a true race iirc and not some Grandfather uplift. </font>[/QUOTE]You have grasped the truth perfectly. The traveller philisophy was that aleins are not humans or other earth creatures in funny outfits but wee in fact alien creatures, barring the vargr, of course.

The aslan resemble cats, yes, but are not cats in the same way a 'sea horse' in some ways suggests having an equine head while in fact having no similiartity to a horse whatsoever.
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamus:
Aramis..
love the pic but still dont see that style of hand on a feline type pouncer.
But I'm pretty sure the Aslan alien modules all mention that they are NOT feline, that was just a human centric lable from the time of first contact. Aslan are a true race iirc and not some Grandfather uplift. </font>[/QUOTE]You have grasped the truth perfectly. The traveller philisophy was that aleins are not humans or other earth creatures in funny outfits but wee in fact alien creatures, barring the vargr, of course.

The aslan resemble cats, yes, but are not cats in the same way a 'sea horse' in some ways suggests having an equine head while in fact having no similiartity to a horse whatsoever.
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamus:
Aramis..
love the pic but still dont see that style of hand on a feline type pouncer.
But I'm pretty sure the Aslan alien modules all mention that they are NOT feline, that was just a human centric lable from the time of first contact. Aslan are a true race iirc and not some Grandfather uplift. </font>[/QUOTE]You have grasped the truth perfectly. The traveller philisophy was that aleins are not humans or other earth creatures in funny outfits but wee in fact alien creatures, barring the vargr, of course.

The aslan resemble cats, yes, but are not cats in the same way a 'sea horse' in some ways suggests having an equine head while in fact having no similiartity to a horse whatsoever.
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamus:
Aramis..
love the pic but still dont see that style of hand on a feline type pouncer.
But I'm pretty sure the Aslan alien modules all mention that they are NOT feline, that was just a human centric lable from the time of first contact. Aslan are a true race iirc and not some Grandfather uplift. </font>[/QUOTE]You have grasped the truth perfectly. The traveller philisophy was that aleins are not humans or other earth creatures in funny outfits but wee in fact alien creatures, barring the vargr, of course.

The aslan resemble cats, yes, but are not cats in the same way a 'sea horse' in some ways suggests having an equine head while in fact having no similiartity to a horse whatsoever.
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamus:
Aramis..
love the pic but still dont see that style of hand on a feline type pouncer.
But I'm pretty sure the Aslan alien modules all mention that they are NOT feline, that was just a human centric lable from the time of first contact. Aslan are a true race iirc and not some Grandfather uplift. </font>[/QUOTE]You have grasped the truth perfectly. The traveller philisophy was that aleins are not humans or other earth creatures in funny outfits but wee in fact alien creatures, barring the vargr, of course.

The aslan resemble cats, yes, but are not cats in the same way a 'sea horse' in some ways suggests having an equine head while in fact having no similiartity to a horse whatsoever.
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamus:
Aramis..
love the pic but still dont see that style of hand on a feline type pouncer.
But I'm pretty sure the Aslan alien modules all mention that they are NOT feline, that was just a human centric lable from the time of first contact. Aslan are a true race iirc and not some Grandfather uplift. </font>[/QUOTE]You have grasped the truth perfectly. The traveller philisophy was that aleins are not humans or other earth creatures in funny outfits but wee in fact alien creatures, barring the vargr, of course.

The aslan resemble cats, yes, but are not cats in the same way a 'sea horse' in some ways suggests having an equine head while in fact having no similiartity to a horse whatsoever.
 
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