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Armor and law level

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At what law levels do you restrict the wearing of personal armor?

IMCTU, combat armor is prohibited at LL 1 reflec at LL 2, and ablat, mesh and cloth at LL 4. Jack is permissible just about anywhere, but it helps on high LL worlds (9+) if its styled not to look like armor. Battle dress? Fugeddaboutit...

And in your TU...?
 
I outlaw Battledress at LL 3

Combat armors at LL4

Personal body armors at LL6 to 8
 
BGG,

Nothing as cut and dried, I had no "LL X always equals prohibition Y" list Imperium wide. I used to let things 'wiggle' a level or two, sometimes stricter and sometimes looser depending on the item, sort of like DGP's later expanded LLs, more of a guide than an edict. Things always depended on the location and not entirely on the UWP(1).

However, my list was similar enough to Aramis'.


Have fun,
Bill

1 - About the only thing I always used the LL in the UWP for was the 'police harrassment' roll.
 
Only if the cops don't think there is trouble in need of it.

In a violent and semi-patrolled section of town, wearing body armor might get a polite nod, even if it is illegal...
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
In a violent and semi-patrolled section of town, wearing body armor might get a polite nod, even if it is illegal...
Aramis,

Exactly. The numbers in the UWP - especially the social ones like government and law level - are always up for interpretation.


Have fun,
Bill
 
I work fairly closely with cops in my job and it is my experience that any body armor will attract an officer's attention...even in dangerous area like the projects in jersey city. You might not get a ticket or taken in, but the cops WILL take notice and investigate which is what law level is suppose to figure. In dangerous areas, the cops might call for back-up or be more aggressive in investigating knowing that gunplay may be imminent as opposed to a 'safe' neightborhood.

and yes...I have specifically asked the officers I have worked with. This topic was an argument on the tml some time ago.
 
IMTU I always looked at Law Level as sort of a guide than an absolute.

In general I allow
LL-0 anything goes, but showing up at the local night club in your combat armour is frowned upon.

LL 1-2 can openly wear armour, but for anything obvious, like cloth or combat armour you better have a good reason.

LL 3-4 you can wear non conspicuous armor like flack jackets (no reflect)

LL 4+ no armour with the higher the # the harsher the penalty.

I also allow characters with a noble rank (Knight or higher, I grace of -1 LL in terms of personal weaponry. IE LL 4 comes 3)
I have given some thought to higher ranking imperial nobles having the right to an armed security detail, but since none of my players are above knight I haven’t done anything about it yet.

R

Edit,

Of course Characters with High Admin or Bribery can secure carry permits for prohibited weapons DC 25+law level
 
IMTU, many worlds extend a minimum allowance to imperial nobles of a sword.

Also, LL doesn't apply to military on active duty assignments
 
I have found that restricting Body Armor is more effective than restricting weapons, especially in Traveller. Further while wearing Body Armor might be legal, it might also be socially unacceptable. Most body armor is noticeable and difficult, by its very nature, to conceal. Where you might be able to conceal an SMG, you are going to be noticed wearing that Combat Environment Suit. And wearing such a thing, depending on the world of course, might be gauche.

Further bodyarmor would generally be frowned upon in most business establishments, particularily bars. As the environment will tend to take more damage than the people in a bar fight, and bar owners, would typically take a dim view of that. Since that is where people tend to socialize, the effect would carry over to other parts of the social world.

This would have a secondary impact on what the military and law enforcement might wear, and not just off duty. When the fecal matter is not impacting the rotating propeller, even a military patrol would tend to be less armored and off duty individuals would be unarmored or lightly armored, depending on local custom. After all they generally want the locals to be firendly. (It helps to gather information among other things.)

Riding as a passenger on a starship would be similar. Don't just lock up the weapons, lock up the armor as well. (Though Vaccsuits can act as armor so a compromise has to be reached here.)

As a GM this also makes your characters less prone to just try to shoot there way out of trouble.
 
I have never laid out specific law levels for armor. However, even if a given style of armor is legal for the planet you're on, most citizens will not be wearing any. As a result, apart from the cops, everyone who notices you're wearing armor will react to it. It's just not something that people see every day, and it carries the connotation of "expecting trouble", so the armor-wearing person becomes an unspecific threat. This should result in negative reactions from most civilians. I think that NPC reactions should be limited to "Neutral" at best, and likely worse. NPCs may create more police attention, by calling the cops as soon as the PCs walk away.
 
The one exception I made to "no armor" was Reflec. I treated it more like a designer fabric than armor. Most of my nobels wore Reflec Capes that could be used to completely wrap their bodies if needed. This was considered socially acceptable.
 
"And wearing such a thing, depending on the world of course, might be gauche."

Heh. Forget the cops, worry about the fashion police :)
 
I think that by TL 10 or so, mesh and cloth should be easier to disguise as clothing, and the basic versions of each should be easy enough to pass security. The other stuff, add-ons like insulation and electricity-proofing (a la Shadowrun 4th Edition), might get you taken aside if detected.
 
I asked a while ago about "Diplo" armor, referred to several times in T20 books but never detailed, and was told it was a cloth/mesh armor specifically designed to be concealable/disguisable under or as clothing, that granted AR 2. Be interesting, having the PCs getting into arguements with Customs agents about whether their 'heavy' leather trenchcoat was armor or just 'cool'.
 
Originally posted by BetterThanLife:
Further while wearing Body Armor might be legal, it might also be socially unacceptable. Most body armor is noticeable and difficult, by its very nature, to conceal. Where you might be able to conceal an SMG, you are going to be noticed wearing that Combat Environment Suit.
Ummm, if you can hide your SMG, I'd think you could hide the fact you're wearing Level IIIa body armor. Just how noticeable IS body armor? :eek: (Even jack?)
 
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