Ad Astra teturns!

[Trent]

http://www.sfrpg.org.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=522&p=6738#p6738

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[Andrew Boulton]

Please change your sig.

 

[Trent]

Please change your sig.

We've been thru this before. Let it go.

 

[aramis]

We've been thru this before. Let it go.

Yes, and it resulted in hunter telling you to delete the link.

 

[shadowdragon]

trent-
cudos on having the nads to challenge hunter in his own house. the slap in the face that forum give QLI is about as subtle as a chainsaw.

on the otre hand tho- this IS hunter's board, and since Mr. Boulton was given moderator status by HUNTER, then if Mr. Boulton tells you to stop advertising- you are kind of required to do so. its the same as Hunter telling you to stop. something you might want to consider- this is Hunter's forum, not a "public" forum, as far as i can tell from all the links and advertising promoting QLI first, and Traveller in general, second. it is EXTREMELY bad form for you to come here and try to mark your own territory. basically, by doing so in the manner which you did, you just guaranteed that at least ONE sci-fi fan will NEVER join that forum. EXCELLENT job there, mate. next time you might want to consider asking for permission to advertise, and possibly work with people rather than antagonize them and alienate them.

and andrew- i may be out of line here but i had to comment after going to the splash page of that forum. so if i am i apologize, not trying to butt in or anything like that. ok well i AM butting in but im not trying to do your job.


addendum:
"Most users ever online was 5 on Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:04 pm"- wow. looks like its a certain threat to QLI and COTI. :rofl:

 

[DaveChase]

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addendum:
"Most users ever online was 5 on Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:04 pm"- wow. looks like its a certain threat to QLI and COTI. :rofl:

I agree that the CotI is not a public free for all and when you signed up you agree to the board (CotI) rules.

But on your last comment, that is because the forum system/software used only registers those who are active at any given 1 minute interval. So if you are reading or just hanging around you don't show as active and that is how it tracks.

We actually attempted to see how many we could get on line a couple of weeks ago and there was more than 5 but you had to be active at doing something (which we found out later.)

Judge a book by its cover, do you.

Nope, not promoting any other site, just commenting that you have to consider all the details when judging something that looks similar but might not be quite the same.
Is it red on yellow kills a fellow or ????

Dave Chase

 

[Trent]

Yes, and it resulted in hunter telling you to delete the link.

Yep, and I told hunter he had no business ignoring people trying to get hold of him on legitimate business grounds for MONTHS then sticking his head in and yelling at people in PMs to delete links to a site that's no threat to this one and a legitimate offering to gamers here.

if this site's going to run on pettiness to such a degree that hunter will ignore people for months on legit issues, then whine about links to sites that aren't a threat here then please go ahead and ban me. I cannot and will not tolerate that level of pettiness and obnoxiousness.

 

[shadowdragon]

nope dave - as a matter of fact i dont judge a book by its cover- i actually take a look. and the look i got was distasteful. the splash page makes a completely unnecessary insult to COTI. this led me to believe that it was set up for the SOLE reason of personal feelings towards hunter. and that was just page one. Since i am neither a contributing author nor artist, nor am i currently awaiting delivery of product, hunters absence is irrelevent to me personally, so i do not voice my opinion of what this kind of behavior says about his business practice- especially on the forum he could just as easily have let go by the wayside when the server it was on crashed and they had to rebuild it. If you wish to set up another scifi forum- its a free interweb so far, please feel free. but to advertise a non-traveller oriented forum in protest of forums being set up by game companies, and then specifically setting up traveller related rooms in said NON-TRAVELLER sci-fi forum. well it speaks much of the perpetrators morals. in otherwords - i think that the person who is in charge of said forum is lying thru his teeth and is deliberatly trying to denigrate COTI. regardless of cause, to turn around and try to advertise here, especially when told to kill it once already, and to ensure hunter isnt actually here this time to complain.............

y'all are free to have your opinions, and even state them. but dont be breakin the rules here and get all snippy about it when y'all get caught and told to knock it off.

as far as the 5 on at once thing- i dont run a forum, have no idea how the monitor works. can only go by what i read, since i was poking around the site before i made any response to trent. which, iirc, is exactly opposite to pre-judging something.

so- i get that MANY peeps is unhappy with hunter. SOME are even angry at hunter. i even can totally see where they are coming from, if everything i have seen posted is true (which i am by no means saying it is not as i am not involved in any of it and cannot have a position about the veracity).
but in my opinion, the details lie between them and hunter, and too much information is being thrown around here. which makes me feel that such things as this alternate forum (which could have been presented in such a way as to avoid antagonism, but wasnt) are specific attacks against hunter. which is fine too- do as you will. but if you came into my yard and attacked me, then got pissy because i told you to knock it off- i would remove you without prejudice. whether you like hunter and QLI is irrelevent, as long as you continue to use QLI's forum. if you are going to be here, i welcome you to stay, as long as you are polite and follow the rules. nuf said - i aint a moderator. i just get tired of the hunter bashing on his own forum. and honestly- its none of my business what business dealings have gone on and how they worked out-

 

[DaveChase]

nope dave - as a matter of fact i dont judge a book by its cover- ...

Sorry, no offense meant. Thats why the smilie after the statement.

y'all are free to have your opinions, and even state them. but dont be breakin the rules here and get all snippy about it when y'all get caught and told to knock it off.
...

so- i get that MANY peeps is unhappy with hunter. SOME are even angry at hunter. i even can totally see where they are coming from, if everything i have seen posted is true (which i am by no means saying it is not as i am not involved in any of it and cannot have a position about the veracity).
but in my opinion, the details lie between them and hunter, and too much information is being thrown around here. which makes me feel that such things as this alternate forum (which could have been presented in such a way as to avoid antagonism, but wasnt) are specific attacks against hunter. which is fine too- do as you will.

Understood but part of the problem was the lack of Hunter. It concerned those who were willing to stay but just wanted to make sure that he was around. (See more in CotI Website Issues section IF you want to know more.)
And yes there are some very angry people in the world. And as soon as you reach a position of power or recongition there are those that just know that they can do better than you and believe that you are a fool for not listening to them.

but if you came into my yard and attacked me, then got pissy because i told you to knock it off- i would remove you without prejudice. whether you like hunter and QLI is irrelevent, as long as you continue to use QLI's forum. if you are going to be here, i welcome you to stay, as long as you are polite and follow the rules. nuf said - i aint a moderator. i just get tired of the hunter bashing on his own forum. and honestly- its none of my business what business dealings have gone on and how they worked out-

As you said each to their own, but one thing that you can do is report. I know that many don't want to use the report button but if we users don't self moderate and we don't try to help others calm down, talk more professionally, and stick to the rules, then reporting them to the mods is needed. Its like everyday life and law enforcement. Most don't want to invoke them but if you go so far as to not then the 'bad' guys will just do more.

I think you and I (along with many others here at CotI) feel about the same way. And I do know that many are thankful for the active forum we have here.

Have a good one

AND as personal note: If I use a smilie or :rofl: it is a sign that what I wrote is intended to be humorous, tongue in cheek, silly, in good spirit, or even satire.

Dave Chase

 

[Colin]

Personally, I don't see anything on the splash page of the site in question that appears to be directed solely at Hunter or QLI. Indeed, it could be as much a comment on Steve Jackson Games or Mongoose Publishing. (or Dream Pod9, Wizards of the Coast, or whomever).

Hell, I went looking, and couldn't find anything derogatory towards QLI. I didn't spend a great deal of time, admittedly, but there was nothing obvious.

As for the link, well, it is a forum rule that you don't provide links to competing companies or boards...

 

[captainjack]

SFRPG ban......

Its kinda strange too - I find I've been banned despite making zero posts (I lurk)....wonder why ? Perhaps they're cleaning out aold accounts ? I'll ask, but not sure how with a permaban.....

 

[aramis]

The board rule in practice is that you may direct link to particular threads of relevance to an ongoing discussions, but not to the top level, of competing boards.

You may not link to boards or commercial websites in your sig without hunter's express permission.

At the moment, that's restricted to commercial reps of a handful of folks.

 

[captainjack]

Odder yet. Now my IP has been banned -after I sent an email to their admin accout asking why. Anyone here in a position to pass an email on for me ? As this is an IP ban, I can't even access the site to ask. PM me if you can help -or, say are an admin or moderator.

I know this is OT, and I know this is COTI. I'm just asking for help by pm if anyone can provide it, and I'm doing it in this thread since this is likely to have at least some interest to members on both boards, not to start a ruckus.

Thanks in advance.

 

[BlackBat242]

Captainjack... I don't know what is going on there, but recently a military discussion board I frequent had a problem with user accounts being hacked.

One of the things that was being done with the hacked account was that PMs were being sent (to multiple recipients) with specific long-time poster's ID tags, that were links to spam sites and even contained viruses.

The admins had to block IPs and re-assign the IDs to new accounts to stop the attacks.

I can't say if this is what is going on here, but there might be a reason unrelated to you why your IP was blocked.

 

[captainjack]

Captainjack... I don't know what is going on there, but recently a military discussion board I frequent had a problem with user accounts being hacked.

One of the things that was being done with the hacked account was that PMs were being sent (to multiple recipients) with specific long-time poster's ID tags, that were links to spam sites and even contained viruses.

The admins had to block IPs and re-assign the IDs to new accounts to stop the attacks.

I can't say if this is what is going on here, but there might be a reason unrelated to you why your IP was blocked.

Yeah, at least one of the reasons I'm trying to get in touch with the board owner is that concern. Plus, if they got a spam hit from my IP, then its possible I have the hacked account. I have no idea why it would hit there, though, and none of the other boards I'm on. I have literally made zero posts on that one - there's at least one social reason I keep it that way, but I like reading the stuff. Plus, I know I checked a couple of days ago as my user, so it's not like its inactive. Very odd. Hope they get back to me.

Thanks for the input though.

 

[captainjack]

And now it says:

You have been permanently banned from this board.

Please contact the Board Administrator for more information.

Reason given for ban: No trolls allowed.

A ban has been issued on your IP address.

The heck ? Never posted once. I'm suspecting you are right about the hacking.

 

[Gruffty]

Before I make my reply to Shadowdragon, I will publicly state that I am the owner/operator of SFRPG.org.uk - many people here abouts know that already, but let's just be clear about it from the start where I'm coming from.

the slap in the face that forum give QLI is about as subtle as a chainsaw

What slap in the face would that be, given that QLI isn't even mentioned on the SFRPG splash page?

nope dave - as a matter of fact i dont judge a book by its cover-

No, you just judge by the splash page and then make up spurious allegations.

i actually take a look. and the look i got was distasteful.

How? Explain, please? What is distasteful?

the splash page makes a completely unnecessary insult to COTI.

Where? CotI isn't even mentioned on the SFRPG splash page - how do you come to that conclusion?

this led me to believe that it was set up for the SOLE reason of personal feelings towards hunter.

And your evidence for this is what, exactly? You have no evidence for this - you are making an unfounded allegation.

and that was just page one.

So you didn't go any further into the boards then? Obviously not.

If you wish to set up another scifi forum- its a free interweb so far, please feel free. but to advertise a non-traveller oriented forum in protest of forums being set up by game companies, and then specifically setting up traveller related rooms in said NON-TRAVELLER sci-fi forum.

SFRPG is allowed to set up Traveller forums - there are no rules to say we cannot. You will note that we do not make any claims to be the "home" of Traveller or anything like that at SFRPG and we encourage discussion of all SFRPGs. SFRPG is not solely a Traveller board.

well it speaks much of the perpetrators morals.

How can you say that? You have never met me! Again you are making unfounded accusations.

in otherwords - i think that the person who is in charge of said forum is lying thru his teeth and is deliberatly trying to denigrate COTI.

And again with the unfounded accusations. You are deliberately maligning my forums without any evidence and you are making false accusations about a site which you clearly haven't examined in any really thorough way. You have no right to make any such baseless accusations about my forums. You are clearly trying to stir up trouble. I have reported your post and given my reasons.

 

[Gruffty]

FOR THE RECORD:

SFRPG.org.uk is independent of any and all RPG game companies - the boards are not owned by, run by, associated with, affiliated to, in partnership with, or working in cooperation with any RPG publishing company, anywhere in the world.

Consequently, there are no commercial pressures on SFRPG.org.uk, i.e. we do not have to produce and sell any products to keep the boards running, nor is SFRPG in the business of producing game products.

We do not charge any form of membership fee, nor do we offer any form of enhanced or improved access to board features in return for payment. The board is entirely paid for at my own personal expense, from monies not arising from any commercial RPG publishing activities. This is the only way to keep the boards free from commercial pressures. And yes: I do this for the benefit of others, with no thought of profit or gain for myself.

SFRPG supports ALL SFRPGs, regardless of publishing company, country of origin, style of game, rules set, mileu or any other factor. Our membership is diverse and we welcome fans of all SFRPG games, not just Traveller. To my knowledge, there is nothing written anywhere that stops anyone, including me, from setting up boards and discussing the Traveller SFRPG. No-one has the authority to dictate to me which games are or are not discussed on my boards, that I set up and I pay for. SFRPG will continue to discuss all versions of Traveller and we actively encourage our members (whether new or old Traveller hands) to do so.

I freely admit that our membership is small, but that is not an issue, as there are no commercial pressures demanding revenue from memberships. We are not concerned with having a membership rated in the thousands, nor do we closely monitor activity levels on the boards - members are free to post or not, as they wish. There are no prizes for having a high post count, indeed, we do not even use a rank system (except that Admins and Mods are labelled as such).

We actively encourage the transmission of information between SFRPG and other boards, such as CotI. This is even written into our board guidelines:

6. Other Boards
It is acceptable for members to provide links to other boards. SFRPG doesn't have the monopoly on gaming boards so, if the SFRPG boards don't offer what people are looking for, there is no problem with pointing people in the right direction to somewhere that could be of help. It's also perfectly fine to provide direct links to other boards.

Finally, please be aware that some boards may not allow you to advertise the existence of other boards by posting in threads. Check the relevant board's FAQ or TaCoS for relevant information.

And before anyone accuses me of only recently adding the above to our guidelines, check the date and time that post was last edited: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:21 pm. Here's a link so you can check for yourself:

http://www.sfrpg.org.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4

Is that clear enough for everyone, including you, Shadowdragon?

 

[Andrew Boulton]

I should remind everyone that trashing other forums is also against the rules.

I see nothing insulting on the SFRPG.org.uk splash page.

Thread locked.