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General Would a Psion have to become a Spy in the Imperium?

TNE was re-writing the setting to allow more psionics... this retcon of noble toleration is questionable...

but then you could ask the question of how many of today's elites are happy to associate with...
 
I think politicians and other high Soc types in all eras would be wildly against anyone being able to read their minds. They lose their minds even having things they actually said getting reported on, just imagine how bad it would be if someone knew what they were thinking! About the only way I can see psionics being tolerated at all is if there were a very easy way to nullify the possibility of it being used against the elites. That would mean every bodyguard squad has 2 defensive psions, or anti-psi tech is completely effective, if expensive.
 
I think politicians and other high Soc types in all eras would be wildly against anyone being able to read their minds. They lose their minds even having things they actually said getting reported on, just imagine how bad it would be if someone knew what they were thinking! About the only way I can see psionics being tolerated at all is if there were a very easy way to nullify the possibility of it being used against the elites. That would mean every bodyguard squad has 2 defensive psions, or anti-psi tech is completely effective, if expensive.
The movie Serenity centers around a psion reading top government types with big secrets and the effort to recover said psion.
 
The movie Serenity centers around a psion reading top government types with big secrets and the effort to recover said psion.
Yes, but it's not the Traveller-verse, though. In that universe, I think all, or nearly all, the psions were basically government prisoners? That's about the only solution I could forsee from politicians when Psions are a known thing.
 
TNE also, however, established that many? most? Imperial noble houses maintained psychics on staff so the situation is far more nuanced than "the Imperium hates psionics" as the Imperium was also researching artificial psionics and just the general topic of "psionics" is in the list of illustrative topics for Research Stations (though that dates back to CT not TNE).
While this is true, much of this is probably retroactive continuity. So much of what TNE presents is such anathema to the faithful. I always assumed that what everyone hated was "those psions" and not "our psions"... of course, that's just my opinion.
 
Yes, but it's not the Traveller-verse
I'm pretty convinced that Joss Whedon had both The Traveller Book and The Traveller Adventure when he ran a Science Fiction role-playing campaign in college that he based Firefly/Serenity on. The NPC 'Shawna', which I think is only in The Traveller Book is very close to the character Saffron on Firefly. Plus, there are other things. Someone made a list at one point.
 
Hmm:
2 types of drive, a regular normal space reaction engine arrangement, and a get there quick "firefly" drive - the firefly drive being larger than the m-drive matching the LBB:3 letter drive paradigm
shotguns and other slug throwers in space, with rare appearance of laser weapons
low TL planets next door to high TL planets
the crew all had prior careers
Wash calls the crew Travellers...
 
I'm pretty convinced that Joss Whedon had both The Traveller Book and The Traveller Adventure when he ran a Science Fiction role-playing campaign in college that he based Firefly/Serenity on. The NPC 'Shawna', which I think is only in The Traveller Book is very close to the character Saffron on Firefly. Plus, there are other things. Someone made a list at one point.
Hmm:
2 types of drive, a regular normal space reaction engine arrangement, and a get there quick "firefly" drive - the firefly drive being larger than the m-drive matching the LBB:3 letter drive paradigm
shotguns and other slug throwers in space, with rare appearance of laser weapons
low TL planets next door to high TL planets
the crew all had prior careers
Wash calls the crew Travellers...
Ohyeah, there's a ton of things that make it clear that it's based on Traveller. No argument there. But there's differences, too, so I hesitate to use it as source material for Traveller. OTOH, you could absolutely run a Traveller game in the Firefly universe. That sounds pretty interesting actually (but a subject for another thread).
 
yes, they were forced to...
(and the whole post)

Sure, and sure 3I also hates nukes, and murder, and many more awful things (not saying psionics are that awful), but does not renounce to use them if it needs it...

I keep guessing same happens with Psionics, s they are too powerful a tool to renounce to it, as much covertly as you must use them.
 
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While this is true, much of this is probably retroactive continuity. So much of what TNE presents is such anathema to the faithful. I always assumed that what everyone hated was "those psions" and not "our psions"... of course, that's just my opinion.

I mean, by this logic, every piece of new canon is retroactive continuity (which is essentially what MM says when he states that he's "bound by canon"). The new information in Research Station Gamma changed the setting as it was explained in Kinunir which changed it from the LBB's - let alone the changes that came with MT, then TNE, then Milieu 0, etc etc etc

I also saw the "Our Psions vs Their Psions" as a pretty logical extrapolation of how things would work. Given that we know that the Imperium does utilize psions (military programs and research programs) logically they have to go somewhere when they muster out - into the employment of the nobles houses seems like a logical step. Nobles with the right clearance already know they exist, and have the same reasons to want them "handy" as the IN (et al), it also keeps them as a resource for the Imperium rather than as free-range troublemakers.

D.
 
I mean, by this logic, every piece of new canon is retroactive continuity (which is essentially what MM says when he states that he's "bound by canon"). The new information in Research Station Gamma changed the setting as it was explained in Kinunir which changed it from the LBB's - let alone the changes that came with MT, then TNE, then Milieu 0, etc etc etc

I also saw the "Our Psions vs Their Psions" as a pretty logical extrapolation of how things would work. Given that we know that the Imperium does utilize psions (military programs and research programs) logically they have to go somewhere when they muster out - into the employment of the nobles houses seems like a logical step. Nobles with the right clearance already know they exist, and have the same reasons to want them "handy" as the IN (et al), it also keeps them as a resource for the Imperium rather than as free-range troublemakers.

D.
They could just as easily become shop keepers or some other mundane job somewhere where no one thinks they're anything special like that. They just become another neighbor in some sleepy low-tech little town on a forgotten rock, and so long as they keep it that way the government doesn't do anything about it. Think, something like the Incredibles or maybe this guy:

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If you go by the rules as written psions are a lot more common than most give credit - a roll of 12 for an NPC grants them a psionic ability... so one in every thirty six NPCs that interact with the PCs...
Yes, but ... So the tables in the book also say that 1 in 36 are nobles or something questionable in that vein. The discussion came up elsethread and I can't find it, but I think the takeaway was that the encounter tables weren't a complete cross-section of society, but a sampling of interesting people. So one in 36 people you might meet and have interaction with might be psions (or nobles), but 100% of the hoi polloi that are not considered are not. This makes sense as most PCs aren't going to stop and have conversations with just any wageslave that happens to be standing around waiting for the bus. If you need to find an insurance adjuster for some reason, that's a separate thing. They obviously exist. They're just not important enough to make the table of interesting people you might encounter..
 
They could just as easily become shop keepers or some other mundane job somewhere where no one thinks they're anything special like that. They just become another neighbor in some sleepy low-tech little town on a forgotten rock, and so long as they keep it that way the government doesn't do anything about it.

I was more thinking about the what the Imperium would *let* them do given that psionics is ostensibly illegal. The cyberpunk novel Emerald Eyes by Daniel Keys Moran explores that sort of idea a bit (hint, it's doesn't end well for anyone), there's a similar sort of question in Path of the Fury by David Weber of what happens when your cybernetically enhanced supercommando wants to retire, do they get to keep their enhancements or not, especially since they are basically illegal in civilized systems?

D.
 
Yes, but it's not the Traveller-verse, though. In that universe, I think all, or nearly all, the psions were basically government prisoners? That's about the only solution I could forsee from politicians when Psions are a known thing.
Eh - that's a bit of a stretch - we only know of the *one* "academy" that River Tam was trained at. There are numerous other tidbits suggesting that while psionics isn't common, at least the concept (and, in some cases, religious overtones and interpretations - see the episode "Safe") aren't limited to government power.

Note, that doesn't mean those in power might not *seek* what you describe - just that it's not presented to have reached that point in "canon" Firefly/Serenity.
 
Eh - that's a bit of a stretch - we only know of the *one* "academy" that River Tam was trained at. There are numerous other tidbits suggesting that while psionics isn't common, at least the concept (and, in some cases, religious overtones and interpretations - see the episode "Safe") aren't limited to government power.

Note, that doesn't mean those in power might not *seek* what you describe - just that it's not presented to have reached that point in "canon" Firefly/Serenity.
I will defer to your Firefly lore, I last watched way too long ago and had forgotten that detail. But if Psionics are suppressed on one planet, how do they prevent psions from arriving from other planets? Also, do they just admit to horrible human rights violations in the name of public safety, or explain away their own psion's presence some other way? It seems hard to sustain if it's not polity-wide.
 
I will defer to your Firefly lore, I last watched way too long ago and had forgotten that detail. But if Psionics are suppressed on one planet, how do they prevent psions from arriving from other planets? Also, do they just admit to horrible human rights violations in the name of public safety, or explain away their own psion's presence some other way? It seems hard to sustain if it's not polity-wide.
Under the impression psionics are not well understood and reliably taught and is being surgically enhanced to work.
 
The cyberpunk novel Emerald Eyes by Daniel Keys Moran explores that sort of idea a bit (hint, it's doesn't end well for anyone), there's a similar sort of question in Path of the Fury by David Weber
Good heavens. I've read both of those books. DKM is a favorite author, I've read The Long Run more times than anything else. I recall enjoying Path of the Fury as well.
 
I will defer to your Firefly lore, I last watched way too long ago and had forgotten that detail. But if Psionics are suppressed on one planet, how do they prevent psions from arriving from other planets? Also, do they just admit to horrible human rights violations in the name of public safety, or explain away their own psion's presence some other way? It seems hard to sustain if it's not polity-wide.
I'd see it handled more by propaganda if psionics were known but the government wanted them suppressed. You have a sustained campaign that spreads propaganda about how "dangerous" psionics are. You instill a fear and loathing of them in the public. Over time, someone who displays psionic powers ends up being reported to the authorities by witnesses who have been indoctrinated to do just that.
You only need the nobility empire-wide to order and sign onto such a campaign. Now, they might be in the know about any psionic that is arrested being sent to a government facility for training as an agent or something, the central government even possibly giving out a suitable reward for their cooperation in catching the psionic. That would incentivize the ruling powers to find and arrest such persons.
For the public, they just know psionics are dangerous and if you are able to report one and it's confirmed, you get a good reward for it. That would make for a great policy polity wide.

Make it something like the agency in the show Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
 
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