Vegans

[tanstaafl2300]

Anyone have any info or writeups on the Vegans?
I remember seeing a very short article in some book, but no stats or history, or even a pic.

Anything even if you wrote it up yourselves.

email me: tanstaafl2300@hotmail.com

 

[snrdg082102]

Hello tanstaafl2300,

The following is a quick list of material I have found so far.

Supplement 10 -- The Solomani Rim is similar in concept, but the execution shows the changes that three years of development brought. Originally released in 1982, this supplement covers the area of space around Terra, our very own Earth. The book starts out with two reprint-sized pages of history from the development of jump drive by the Terrans in 2089 AD, then moves on until the present day of 1100 Imperial. There is half a page of description about the Vegans, a minor race with autonomy within the Imperium. The Solomani Rim (just covered in GT: Rim of Fire) is a major potential flash point, as it is the border between the Solomani Confederation and the Imperium. The Imperium occupies Terra, the Solomani homeworld, captured at the end of 1002, something which makes the Solomani angry and volatile.

JTAS] Every Man a Saint, by Joe Webb - 10-2-2001 4.23
The city of Todos Santos.
[JTAS] The Alderamin Scramble, by Jon Zeigler - 8-29-2000 3.82
Power politics in the Solomani Rim.
[JTAS] Milieu 2002, by Paul Drye - 10-15-2002 4.24
A Traveller variant set in the present day.
[JTAS] The Terran Navy, by Jon Walters - 8-20-2002 3.83
From the Interstellar Wars to the Rule of Man
[JTAS] Unrealized Imperia, by Joe Webb - 9-17-2002 4.02
Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in Kamsii anymore...
[JTAS] Not So Ancient, by Paul Duffy - 6-11-2002 3.89
[JTAS] The Rule of Man, by Kurt Brown and James Maliszewski - 7-11-2000 4.29
Science fiction adventure in the not-so-far future . . .
[JTAS] The League of Antares, by Paul Drye - 5-1-2001 4.06
One view of a small interstellar polity for Classic Traveller.
[JTAS] Legends of the Imperium, by James Maliszewski - 4-3-2001 4.49
Traveller's Tales -- a series of columns dealing with aspects of the culture(s) of the Imperium.
[JTAS] Supplements 1-13: The Classic Supplements, by Dominic Mooney - 8-22-2000 3.78
The second volume in the Classic Traveller Reprint Series.
[JTAS] Trivia, by Loren Wiseman - 5-9-2000 3.56

I'll dig some more and get back to you.

Originally posted by tanstaafl2300:
Anyone have any info or writeups on the Vegans?
I remember seeing a very short article in some book, but no stats or history, or even a pic.

Anything even if you wrote it up yourselves.

email me: tanstaafl2300@hotmail.com

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Do you mean for t20?

 

[Flynn]

Good tanstaafl2300,

I hope that this will come to your aid. Some time ago, on these boards, I produced a relatively brief T20 write-up on the Vegans for the Baron. You are more than welcome to use it for your games, and even post it to the web, if you wish. If you post it, though, I do ask for some credit for having produced it.

You can find it here:
http://www.travellerrpg.com/cgi-bin/Trav/CotI/Discuss/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=40;t=000274#000005

Hope this helps,
Flynn

 

[mike wightman]

Flynn,
that's an excellent write up.
Isn't there a Citizen's downloads section that this could be posted to so it is easier to find?

 

[Flynn]

I'll look into creating it as a PDF and posting it, then.

I'll try to drop a line here when it's done,
Flynn

 

[Malenfant]

Flynn's writeup reminds me... the Vegans got jump drive from the Vilani around -6000, and had about 1600 years to expand and explore before being assimilated into the First Imperium. That's from between about 1500 BC to 130 AD, earth time.

So why the heck didn't they make it out to Sol in all that time?? Was there no appeal from our primitive system at the time? Too high gravity? Too dim a star?

Or did they really come this far? It'd be an interesting twist if the early Vegans turned out (with the help of holographics and high tech wonders) to be the "angels of the Lord", misguidedly attempting to uplift primitive humanity.

 

[snrdg082102]

Hello tanstaafl2300,

I'm still looking, but I think Flynn's, which I now have stolen, er I mean , added to my resources, is a great little document. Thanks Flynn and to you also your Lordship for the data.

 

[kafka47]

I think pictures of Vegans that are of any worth are rare but one of the best is:

And, as I stated in earlier post Harold Hale has done a wonderful job of bringing them into the New Era with his Children of Earth campaign Taking the details back into the heyday of the Imperium ought not to be too difficult.

 

[Flynn]

Malenfant,

Have you taken a closer look at the Solomani Rim map? Print out a sector map, and locate Muan Gwi. Draw a line that connects every Jump-1 accessible world from that point, stretching out like a Jump-1 drive would. Consider that a Jump drive requires a Starport A or B for annual maintenance, so the longest distance regularly travelled would nominally be about eighteen jumps or so away, before having to turn around and come back.

In order for Vegans to make it to us on Jump-1 drives, which is all they had canonically during that time period (the Vilani maintaining a staunch control on Jump-2 technology), they'd have to make a circular route through three subsectors, and create a number of deep space fuel depots, to cover the route using a quasi-Jump-2 fashion, or spend a lot more time and money laying deep space fuel depots to cover a Jump-3 route, for no good reason. It's rather infeasible, considering the other avenues the Vegans had to expand into that took a lot less energy and gave back a lot more in value, aesthetic or otherwise, to expect them to have reached us in that time period. Throw in some confrontations and control issues on the part of the Vilani, and it's even easier to see why they didn't make it to us.

From that viewpoint, it's not hard to see why the Vegans didn't make it to Terra in those 1600 years, although a Misjump wouldn't be out of the question.

Hope this helps,
Flynn

 

[Malenfant]

D'oh. You're right, I'd completely forgotten that they would only have had J1 back then.

They could have got to Vega, and from there to Nusku then Agidda, Barnard and Terra, but as you said that would involve either deep space fuel depots or big fuel tanks. Though it's certainly not impossible to do that, it just depends on whether the Vegans would have been bothered (or were allowed) to do it.

 

[Flynn]

I ran a campaign set in an ATU based on the Solomani Rim map, and I traced out all the Jump-1 and Jump-2 routes to determine expansion capabilities. That's the only reason I had any awareness of how it would look. It's an interesting exercise to do with any sector map, really, particularly if you are creating your own milieu.

It's also a good suggestion for creating pocket empires in TNE and TNE 1248-based games.

Hope this helps,
Flynn

 

[Flynn]

I have created a PDF of the Vegans racial write-up I produced, and have submitted it to the eLibrary for official distribution. I'll let you guys know when it's been accepted and posted. The file name is "T20Vegans.zip" and should be entitled "Vegans- A Minor Race Of The Solomani Rim For T20".

Enjoy,
Flynn

 

[mike wightman]

Thanks Flynn

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Really, Flynn, Awesome! I use vegans all the time in my current game... they are a minority in a part of the Hinterworlds, the Remnants of a failed colonization project many years past... They are definitely among my favs...

Well Done!!!

 

[Flynn]

The Vegans PDF has now been posted to the eLibrary:

http://www.travellerrpg.com/cgi-bin/Trav/file/pfile.pl?action=view&itemid=68&h=3&s=t

Please enjoy it, with my compliments,
Flynn

 

[mike wightman]

Seen it, downloaded it.

Thanks again Flynn