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General Vargr eating a pineapple
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Timerover51
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I do not see why Vargr would not eat pineapples. Dogs consume a fair amount of grain, fruit, and vegetable food. Most dogs that I know of love carrots.
Condottiere
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Dogs will eat a lot of stuff.
Reports from China indicate, there are limits, specifically with some commercially prepared meals of dubious quality and composition.
Reports from China indicate, there are limits, specifically with some commercially prepared meals of dubious quality and composition.
mike wightman
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Vargr are not dogs.
No ... dogs are more advanced (evolutionary speaking).
mike wightman
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Really? Dogs were selectively bred form wolves by humans. Their natural evolution stopped when we started choosing.
Vargr were uplifted from wolves 300,000 years ago and have evolved from those original Vargr uplifts.
I would say the Vargr have a greater evolutionary history and are way more advanced.
Vargr were uplifted from wolves 300,000 years ago and have evolved from those original Vargr uplifts.
I would say the Vargr have a greater evolutionary history and are way more advanced.
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Enoki
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On the other hand, both onions and grapes are poisonous to dogs but things humans can consume. So, one would have to know what Vargr can and can't eat in that regard.
mike wightman
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Vargr are not dogs. Some Vargr may even be lactose tolerant, like some evolved humans.
Yup, really.
... and their accelerated evolution began. Selective Breeding IS "accelerated evolution".
Quoting facts not in evidence ... there is no record of ongoing evolution of Traveller sentient species (Human or Vargr or Aslan or Hiver) and "Dogs" would have continued to evolve into the "Far Future" alongside any uplifted ancient prehistoric wolves.
You would be half right. Vargr are probably more Technologically advanced (I am unsure of any OFFICIAL position on uplifted DOGS in Traveller), but DOGS still have a greater "evolutionary history" as evidenced by the far greater diversity of subspecies (breeds) of Dogs compared to Vargr.
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FYI:
"Another thing most people do not immediately realize is that wolves and wolf-dogs will eat, and often enjoy, fruit. Many captive wolves and wolf-dogs have been known to go crazy for watermelon. We’ve even met a wolf that liked pineapple."
- Wolf and Wolf-Dog Care
"Another thing most people do not immediately realize is that wolves and wolf-dogs will eat, and often enjoy, fruit. Many captive wolves and wolf-dogs have been known to go crazy for watermelon. We’ve even met a wolf that liked pineapple."
- Wolf and Wolf-Dog Care
Lactose tolerance isn't boolean.
Some are severely intolerant - physically dangerous reactions.
Some are mildly intolerant - runs and/or painful flatulence
Some are passively tolerant - it causes them no ill, but they still lack the lactase to digest it.
Some are able to digest it via gut flora, but lack their own lactase
Some are able to generate their own lactase.
I've seen canids (dogs, wolves, and wolf hybrids) in most of those spots, save the worst.
Every dog I've had was able to digest even soft cheeses without issue.
Every boxer and bulldog I've spent much time around was on the mildly intolerant zone.... So much stink from so compact a package...
I would expect the same range in Vargr, since it's present in the wolves and wolf hybrids...
Note: Alaska used to allow wolves as pets... but due to careless owners and lost human lives...
Some are severely intolerant - physically dangerous reactions.
Some are mildly intolerant - runs and/or painful flatulence
Some are passively tolerant - it causes them no ill, but they still lack the lactase to digest it.
Some are able to digest it via gut flora, but lack their own lactase
Some are able to generate their own lactase.
I've seen canids (dogs, wolves, and wolf hybrids) in most of those spots, save the worst.
Every dog I've had was able to digest even soft cheeses without issue.
Every boxer and bulldog I've spent much time around was on the mildly intolerant zone.... So much stink from so compact a package...
I would expect the same range in Vargr, since it's present in the wolves and wolf hybrids...
Note: Alaska used to allow wolves as pets... but due to careless owners and lost human lives...
Enoki
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My point is that different species have different food requirements. What's food to one species might well be poison to another. One grape to a dog is potentially sufficient to cause kidney failure.
Condottiere
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1. Survival of the luckiest, at an individual level.
2. Survival of the fittest, species wise.
3. Guinea pigs.
4. Communicating results.
5. Institutional memory.
2. Survival of the fittest, species wise.
3. Guinea pigs.
4. Communicating results.
5. Institutional memory.
mike wightman
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No, not at all.
So now you are changing words and definitions, fair enough
You mean apart for the Zhodani... I'll give you a few moments to go and read about the evolutionary history of the Zhodani.
Do you accept the canonicity of Vilani and Vargr and or other DGP products?You would be half right. Vargr are probably more Technologically advanced (I am unsure of any OFFICIAL position on uplifted DOGS in Traveller), but DOGS still have a greater "evolutionary history" as evidenced by the far greater diversity of subspecies (breeds) of Dogs compared to Vargr.
(Just defining my terms ...)
Evolution Is Change in the Inherited Traits of a Population through Successive Generations
Yup, at all.
That is not how citations work. "I have a fact and you can go search through all published data to find it" is not a citation, so you are STILL stating facts not in evidence.
It is not MY place to rule whether DGP (or any other product) is canon. I am merely as ignorant as I am indifferent to the official position on "uplifted dogs" in the Third Imperium. They could be TL 15 (which would make them more advanced than Vargr) or they could be operating in a TL 4 Steampunk society (making them less technologically advanced than Vargr). So I was willing to concede the POSSIBILITY that Vargr are more technologically advanced than Dogs in the Far Future ... however, barring a mass extinction event, Dogs are more diverse and, therefore, more advanced in evolution (as defined by "Change in the Inherited Traits of a Population through Successive Generations").
mike wightman
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My apologies, I didn't realise you knew nothing of the CT Alien Module Zhodani and yet are willing to make grand claims about canon that you don'e even know.
You claimed there was no incidence of evolution, I sought to clarify what you would consider to be evidential sources.
The Zhodani CT Alien Module includes the history of the evolution of modern Zhodani from those transported by the Ancients, and DGP sources give evidence of Vargr evolution from the transplanted uplifts.
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Condottiere
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You only need to know two things about a Vargr.
Are they a good boi, or a bad boi?
Are they a good boi, or a bad boi?
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do when they come for you?
Condottiere
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Apparently, reinforce the naval depot.
