General Universal Personality Profile and Identity Fraud

[coliver988]

forgot about the personal data form. I do like the forms book, need to re-read and re-use that. Been too many years since I really looked at Traveller rules to be honest. Mostly going on nostalgia it seems.

Wrong, at least in CT/MT. the UPP is an in-universe assessment on the ID card, as well as an out-of-universe shorthand for game use.
See Sup 12 Forms and Charts.
Excerpt from S12 p8:
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Also, note the abbreviated card format in Beltstrike.


Just because it's heavily common doesn't mean it's not used. After all, how many 6'1" 55 year old white males are there in Oregon alone? several hundreds... but that data is on the forms both the state and federal governments issued to me for identity purposes.

 

[aramis]

It's also worth noting UWPs are in-universe, as well. See Adv 0.

 

[Badenov]

Wrong, at least in CT/MT. the UPP is an in-universe assessment on the ID card, as well as an out-of-universe shorthand for game use.
See Sup 12 Forms and Charts.
Excerpt from S12 p8:
View attachment 6885
Also, note the abbreviated card format in Beltstrike.


Just because it's heavily common doesn't mean it's not used. After all, how many 6'1" 55 year old white males are there in Oregon alone? several hundreds... but that data is on the forms both the state and federal governments issued to me for identity purposes.

So, I think my post was misunderstood. I didn't say the UPP wasn't on identification, I said that it was. I simply said it wasn't a unique identifier, and wasn't wildly useful as a biometric marker. meaning you can't uniquely identify someone by their UPP. Also a police officer looking at your driver's license can tell if you're 6'1" or not, at least if you're standing. But he'll need a gym machine to see if you're really Str 7. OTOH it's one of your critical RPG stats, which is why I assume it's on forms.

 

[McPerth]

Wrong, at least in CT/MT. the UPP is an in-universe assessment on the ID card, as well as an out-of-universe shorthand for game use.

See that, if UPP is an in game identity assessment on the Imperial ID, it has several impications in the game I'm not sure I like:

1. when you hire an NPC, it's logical you ask him for his/her ID along with his/her CV. Does this mean you know his/her UPP?
2. when your stats are modified (be it by training, wounds, aging, etc.), do you have to change your ID?
3. if the skills levels also enter on it (as many such forms do), how are they measured legally? we already discussed to boredom about what do they mean... And imagine a LEOs reaction if your ID says your skills include forgery 3, bribery 2...

 

[Condottiere]

I always thought that some skills get certification, Imperial or otherwise, which may be reflected here.

As regards to physical attributes, it tells the cop how hard it may to take you down.

 

[whartung]

I guess you go to the DMV where they see how many weights you can lift, how far you can run, how well you can balance on a balance beam so they can officially rank your STR, DEX, and END. And the IQ and general knowledge tests for INT and EDU.

As for SOC, well, I guess they just Know.

 

[coliver988]

when I add the UPP to IDs it is for game purposes to help players and myself, but in-world is not your strength, dexterity, etc. just something as part of another thing for an ID. And as Badenov points out, it is insufficient for unique identification. For NPC cards I bury it in a larger string sometimes. So, a game aid to me, and a unique in-world ID for the players.