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Traveller's Guide Development Log

I mentioned this over on the JTAS boards the other day, but forgot to repeat the message here for those of you who don't subscribe to that webzine.

I'm part of a small team recently selected to write a GURPS Traveller book tentatively titled "On the Edge: The Traveller's Guide to the Sword Worlds". While it's being developed I'm writing up the development process in a day-to-day web log.

Anyway, it's at:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/pauldrye/

for those who might be interested in how these things are done.
 
Originally posted by Swordy:
I can't really imagine who would be interested in such a project...
I hope, Sir, that that is not intended to be as rude as it sounded?

I Remain Sir...

Kulkinski
 
Originally posted by Vice-Admiral Vidmar Kulkinski:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Swordy:
I can't really imagine who would be interested in such a project...
I hope, Sir, that that is not intended to be as rude as it sounded?

I Remain Sir...

Kulkinski
</font>[/QUOTE]Swordy = SwordWorlder

Hunter
 
Well I cant think who would be interested - i mean the Darrians are far superior to those freaks!


(ps = joke)
 
Are you suggesting, Sir, that I can not see a joke when one is presented?

I remain, sir, your obedient servant

Kulkinski
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While looking at your site I noticed that you observed that "The current Sword Worlds Confederation is by far and away the largest and longest-lived state in the history of the subsector."

Excuse me?

The Imperium had 17 worlds (not including any client states) by 300. The Zhodani had an established foothold by 500. The Darrians have essentially had the same government since -275. The Sword Worlds have only existed in their current form since 852.

And, if you wish to go by initial governments, the Sword Worlds never had an interstellar government until -186 (the Sacnoth Dominate), still long after the Darrians reemerged on the scene.

Finally, I will grant that the Sword Worlds have occationally had more worlds than the Darrians (especially during the Darrian's dark years between the Fourth and Fifth Frontier Wars), they are, in 1120, basically HALF the size of the Darrians (23/24 to 12/11).

And if you don't include the four empty worlds, or the virtually unassociated Enos, then Darrian has always been about the same size (18 v 19), even at their smallest.

(The variable numbers are because BtC lists Dorannia as being in the Darrian Confederation, but there is no support in the text for that. For the Sword Worlds, BtC lists Durendal as a member, but errata places them in the Border Worlds. Personally, I assume that Dorannia is NOT in the Confederation and that Durendal is a Sword, not a Border, World.)
 
BTW, while I am making observations, I have two requests, too.

First, can you please explain why Steel and Mitral were never settled? Here are two planets with breathable, untainted atmospheres and plenty of oceans that NO ONE lives on. But, elsewhere in the Sword Worlds, is a world with an exotic atmostpheres with tens of millions on it, and three worlds with very thing atmospheres (one tainted), two of which also have tens of millions on it. What can be so bad about Steel and Mitral to keep them empty?

(And Steel can't be all bad. The moment the Imperium got hold of it, they immediately colonized.)

Second, in the description of the Sword Worlds in the GT Sourcebook, the Sword Worlds are said to have captured four worlds from the Darrians in the First Frontier World, and then lost them after a short war with the Darrians in 788. While this is correct, the planets named are wrong. The planets listed are Terant 340, Torment, Trifuge and Cunnonic. The correct planets are Entrope, Winston, Anselhome and Torment.

I think what happened is that the first four planets were listed in JTAS 18, but, as things evolved, the captured planets were changed. For example, by the time they made Alien Module 8: The Darrians, the planets had changed to the Entropic cluster. Also, the various sector dotmaps for the Spinward Marches in Supplement 8 show this change as well. They also show that Cunnonic was always in the Sword Worlds until captured by the Darrians in the Fourth Frontier War. (Cunnonic was the only consolation prize for the Darrians in the otherwise bleak Fourth Frontier War.)
 
As for Mitheral, it is a frozen ice cube and not fully surveyed for resources as well. This is according to the adventure Mission on Mitheral included in the TRAVELLER Starter Set. Granted a cold world with a breathable atmosphere would seem a better place to live to me than a vaccume world, but I got the impression that Mitheral has little in the way of exploitable resources.
 
Originally posted by daryen:
While looking at your site I noticed that you observed that "The current Sword Worlds Confederation is by far and away the largest and longest-lived state in the history of the subsector."
Ahem. The key word in the section you quote is "subsector", not "sector". I trust all is clear now?
 
Originally posted by daryen:
BTW, while I am making observations, I have two requests, too.
We've got solutions for both in mind. The Metal Worlds we explain in-game, the "Who got which world problem", Hans has been worrying at for a very long time, and he's come to the conclusion that we throw up our hands and admit the details are irreconcilable. I forget which details he ended up using and which he chucked, but he does have a "best of a bad situation" solution.
 
In my version of Cunnonic (I did the landgrab) Cunnonic did change hands in 788. Though this is not canon I felt it fitted better with the true nature of the Darrians. Below is an excerpt from my history of Cunnonic.

"...Finally the Darrians saw their chance, and in 788 fought a short war with the Gram Coalition. This had two principal effects, one the Coalition collapsed, and two Cunnonic finally came back to the Darrians. On Cunnonic this "liberation" was not universally applauded by the factionalised locals. Cunnonic had been effectively a Sword World for nearly three centuries, and remained a thorn in Darrians side.

In 852 the Sword World's Confederation was formed, and Cunnonic again changed hands when the Sword World's Confederation struck suddenly in 950, retaking the world from the Darrians. Cunnonic remained part of the Sword World's Confederation from then until the Fourth Frontier war when the system again became part of the Darrian Confederation.

Today sympathy for the Sword World's Confederation remains high in some factions on Cunnonic. Darrian has responded by investing huge sums to improve the startport and raise the local tech level. The most contentious program however is a program, based on the Regency's, to settle large numbers of Darrians on Cunnonic and make the Sword World descendents the minority on the world. Needless to say dissent is high in the system and the Darrian Confederation government will be making a decision on whether to place garrison troops in some of the ancient strongholds. "
 
Originally posted by Paul Drye:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daryen:
While looking at your site I noticed that you observed that "The current Sword Worlds Confederation is by far and away the largest and longest-lived state in the history of the subsector."
Ahem. The key word in the section you quote is "subsector", not "sector". I trust all is clear now?
</font>[/QUOTE]Oops! I, ah, misread that.

Ah, well. It still shows that even the biggest and most stable government the Sword Worlds can put together is still pretty shakey when compared to the better minor government. :)

Even if it does show that the larger, more stable, more educated, more technologically advanced state has proponents WHO CAN'T READ! :-(

BTW, thanks for addressing those other inconsistencies. I will definitely add your sourcebook to my list of GT "must gets". (The other two are "Humaniti", which keeps getting postponed, and "Aldebaran", which isn't even on the radar yet.)
 
Originally posted by daryen:
BTW, thanks for addressing those other inconsistencies. I will definitely add your sourcebook to my list of GT "must gets". (The other two are "Humaniti", which keeps getting postponed, and "Aldebaran", which isn't even on the radar yet.) [/QB]
Actually, at the recent JTAS chat, Jon indicated that Humaniti is very close to being completed. "Far Frontiers" (the Aldebaran book) is due out a month or three before "On the Edge".

(Annd if I can advertise a bit more, there may be a taste of Aldebaran appearing in JTAS relatively soon. Now I will be all mysterious and say no more.)
 
Thanks for the info.

BTW, can you answer those two questions I mentioned earlier?

- Is Durendal a member of the Sword Worlds or the Border Worlds. All of the text firmly places it with the Sword Worlds. But, the errata says Border Worlds. Looking closer at the text, it says that Durendal is controlled by the Sacnoth royal house, and Sacnoth is in the Border Worlds. So, is it really in the Border Worlds?

- This isn't in the Sword Worlds, but it is one subsector over. Is Dorannia really in the Darrian Confederation or not? The world listing shows that it is, but there is nothing in the various text pieces that say it should be. That wouldn't be so odd, except that the other two additions to the Confederation were explicitly explained (Nonym and Condaria).

Thanks.
 
Originally posted by daryen:
Is Durendal a member of the Sword Worlds or the Border Worlds.
Border Worlds. There's a major inconsistency between prior canon and the population/description of Dyrnwyn in BtC. While it's not certain that we'll be changing things to fix it, we're certainly discussing it.

This isn't in the Sword Worlds, but it is one subsector over. Is Dorannia really in the Darrian Confederation or not?
Can't help you there. Unless it's been under the control of the Sword Worlds in the past we didn't look at it too closely -- in fact, space considerations forced us top leave out the Entropic Worlds from the planetary descriptions. Though the long football game between the Darrians and the Sword Worlds over them do impact the text elsewhere.

Bear in mind that the book exists mostly as outline right now, and about 20,000 words of text (out of 100,000 that will be submitted). These answers may not be correct any more when the manuscript goes to Steve Jackson Games.
 
Originally posted by Paul_Drye:
Border Worlds. There's a major inconsistency between prior canon and the population/description of Dyrnwyn in BtC. While it's not certain that we'll be changing things to fix it, we're certainly discussing it.
Thanks.

BTW, please don't hesitate to fix any errors in BtC. While BtC was pretty good, there were several mistakes that can't hurt being fixed.

Can't help you there. Unless it's been under the control of the Sword Worlds in the past we didn't look at it too closely -- in fact, space considerations forced us top leave out the Entropic Worlds from the planetary descriptions. Though the long football game between the Darrians and the Sword Worlds over them do impact the text elsewhere.
I didn't think you had covered it, just hoping that you might have "insider knowledge" that you could convey. It was probably a long shot, but I figured I had to try.

As for Entrope (which is the only one of the three worth describing), I understand its exclusion, as it is now back in its rightful spot with the Darrians. :)

I do hope, however, that you cover its standing in the Sword Worlds both times it was there.

It would seem that in the 90 years between the Fourth and Fifth Frontier Wars it was essentially a subjugated planet, not a member planet, as the Confederation never let Entrope rebuild its starport.

(Do note that, unlike it was reported in GT:Far Trader, the Darrians did NOT cause the poor starport. The destruction of the starport was done by the Sword Worlds in the 4FW, and never rebuilt. It was only after the Darrians reclaimed Entrope that the starport rebuilding was able to begin.)

However, I am greatly curious as to how Entrope operated in the Sword Worlds during their first stay, which lasted for something like three centuries. I figure they had to have been integrated that time.
 
Originally posted by daryen:
BTW, please don't hesitate to fix any errors in BtC. While BtC was pretty good, there were several mistakes that can't hurt being fixed.
(Paul dreams of having the power to just fix anything in BtC that he thinks is an error)

Jon Z. showed me the special stick he has for beating writers who get out of line like this :D
 
Originally posted by daryen:
First, can you please explain why Steel and Mitral were never settled? Here are two planets with breathable, untainted atmospheres and plenty of oceans that NO ONE lives on. But, elsewhere in the Sword Worlds, is a world with an exotic atmostpheres with tens of millions on it, and three worlds with very thing atmospheres (one tainted), two of which also have tens of millions on it. What can be so bad about Steel and Mitral to keep them empty?
First, keep in mind that most of this is not canon, nor is it going to be canon until (and if) it has passed unscathed through those editorial filters Jon Zeigler and Loren Wiseman (and Marc Miller?) and been published.

With that caveat: Steel was settled during the Sacnoth Dominate period. It had a rough time during the Fimbulwinter (the period between the fall of the Sacnoth Dominate and the rise of the Five States). It struggled along after that and had actually become fairly powerful in 500 (According to canonical settlement maps it is part of a pocket empire consisting of itself and the three other metal worlds). We plan to depopulate it in some way (not yet decided) between 500 and 589.

Mithril is rather cold. It could have been settled, but it got left alone by colonists in favor of other worlds until it became a ward of the Sword World Confederation. Maybe there were one or more attempts to settle it that failed. Basically Mithril could have been settled if events had turned out a little differently, but it didn't. After 589 the SW Confederation actively prevented colonists from settleing on any of the metal worlds.

Second, in the description of the Sword Worlds in the GT Sourcebook, the Sword Worlds are said to have captured four worlds from the Darrians in the First Frontier World, and then lost them after a short war with the Darrians in 788. While this is correct, the planets named are wrong. The planets listed are Terant 340, Torment, Trifuge and Cunnonic. The correct planets are Entrope, Winston, Anselhome and Torment.

I think what happened is that the first four planets were listed in JTAS 18, but, as things evolved, the captured planets were changed. For example, by the time they made Alien Module 8: The Darrians, the planets had changed to the Entropic cluster. Also, the various sector dotmaps for the Spinward Marches in Supplement 8 show this change as well. They also show that Cunnonic was always in the Sword Worlds until captured by the Darrians in the Fourth Frontier War. (Cunnonic was the only consolation prize for the Darrians in the otherwise bleak Fourth Frontier War.)
It's a little more complicated than that. It wasn't changed, it was bifurcated (if that the word I want). For many years, there has existed two mutually exclusive versions of which worlds were lost by the Darrians to the Sword Worlds during the First Frontier War, regained in the Darrian-Sword World War of 788 and lost again in the Fourth Frontier War. According to "Contact: The Sword Worlds" in Journal of the Travellers' Aid Society #18, Library Data (N-Z), Imperial Encyclopedia, and, most recently, GURPS:Traveller, it is Terant 340, Torment, Trifuge, and Cunnonic. But according to Darrians, The Spinward Marches Campaign, The Regency Sourcebook, and Behind the Claw, it is the Entropic Worlds. The maps in The Spinward Marches Campaign also show Torment as part of the group. Furthermore, the text in The Spinward Marches Campaign claims that Entrope, Winston, and Anselhome are occupied by the Sword Worlds from the end of the Third Frontier War even though the maps show that it is from the end of the Fourth. And to make the confusion complete, The Spinward Marches shows the three Entropic worlds as belonging to the Darrians in 1105 and the UWP listings of SMC and RS show them as belonging to the Sword Worlds in 1110 and 1117 -- that is, the reverse of what the maps and the text show.

There is no possible way to reconcile these differences. My suggestion is that the Entropic Worlds and Torment were the four worlds lost by the Darrians in 593 and regained in 788. The Entropic Worlds (without Torment) were lost again during the Fourth Frontier War.


Hans

PS. Cunnonic is an interesting case, BTW. Although originally settled by Darrians, the settlement maps show that it has been part of the Sword Worlds since before 300. I wonder just how happy they were to be 'liberated' in 1084. Unfortunately we're not going to be able to include Cunnonic in the book. [Note to self: Item 117 on 'To Do' list: Write up Cunnonic for JTAS Online ;) ].
 
Originally posted by daryen:
It would seem that in the 90 years between the Fourth and Fifth Frontier Wars [Entrope] was essentially a subjugated planet, not a member planet, as the Confederation never let Entrope rebuild its starport.
4FW ended in 1084, 5FW began in 1107. That's 23 years, not 90.

(Do note that, unlike it was reported in GT:Far Trader, the Darrians did NOT cause the poor starport. The destruction of the starport was done by the Sword Worlds in the 4FW, and never rebuilt. It was only after the Darrians reclaimed Entrope that the starport rebuilding was able to begin.)
Rebuilding? According to BtC the starport is still only Class II ten years later, in 1120.


Hans
 
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