The Traveller Art Thread - Discussion
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Madarin Dude
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I put together a cross sectionof a heavy fighter here. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1011340
Basically a scout with higher performance in the G drive it is meant to be able to do a small jump and follow and pursue opponents.
Basically a scout with higher performance in the G drive it is meant to be able to do a small jump and follow and pursue opponents.
mike wightman
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Thank you Andrew, she looks great.
Andrew Boulton
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I'm rather surprised nobody's done it before.
Any more requests?
I'm rather surprised nobody's done it before.
Any more requests?
Madarin Dude
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In a word. No there is no conversion. Most of that is due to the nature of Bryce's modeller which relies on rendered booleans as opposed to actual booleans.
This is an excellent modeler I use for most of my stuff now and it is free you can find it here. http://www.wings3d.com/ It is a polygonal subdivision modeler and has quite a few features it is mostly for boxmodeling. If you have some questions about it just ask.
This is an excellent modeler I use for most of my stuff now and it is free you can find it here. http://www.wings3d.com/ It is a polygonal subdivision modeler and has quite a few features it is mostly for boxmodeling. If you have some questions about it just ask.
Andrew Boulton
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Is the SEH pic in RSB the only one? AFAICT it looks just like a Ghalalk, which Jesse's already done.
Andrew Boulton
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Hmm...I've been thinking about doing a Trepida for a while...
far-trader
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Some revisionist history going on there between the two that I'd not noticed before.
The SEH pictured in the MT-RSB is indeed a Ghalalk class, however it's only 30Ktons not the 50Ktons that the Ghalalk of the CT-Supp 9 is.
The MT-SEH is not the same specs as the CT- Ghalalk though (which could be in part due to design sytem differences). The rest of the stats are at least in the ballpark.
All in all I'd say if you want authentic then the picture in RSB is wrong (it is clearly the Ghalalk). Why was it used? Well I think I read somewhere that this was MWM's favorite ship picture so maybe that's the reason.
Or you could use the small semantic loophole in Supp 9. The Gionetti class is named for "posthumous" SEH recipients. Perhaps the Ghalalk class is named for SEH recipients who did not die for the award since no description is given for the class name.
The SEH pictured in the MT-RSB is indeed a Ghalalk class, however it's only 30Ktons not the 50Ktons that the Ghalalk of the CT-Supp 9 is.
The MT-SEH is not the same specs as the CT- Ghalalk though (which could be in part due to design sytem differences). The rest of the stats are at least in the ballpark.
All in all I'd say if you want authentic then the picture in RSB is wrong (it is clearly the Ghalalk). Why was it used? Well I think I read somewhere that this was MWM's favorite ship picture so maybe that's the reason.
Or you could use the small semantic loophole in Supp 9. The Gionetti class is named for "posthumous" SEH recipients. Perhaps the Ghalalk class is named for SEH recipients who did not die for the award since no description is given for the class name.
mike wightman
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Not quite
The light cruiser in Supplement 9 is a Gionetti class - all of which are named after recipients of the SEH.
The SEH class light cruiser is shown in the MegaTraveller Rebellion sourcebook on page 81.
The Ghalalk class armoured cruiser and the SEH class light cruiser do look suspiciously similar.
http://www.asbf58.dsl.pipex.com/BITS_website/Productsfolder/Productdetails/prod_RPPE.html
mike wightman
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Looking at the counters in Battle Rider there is one counter for an armoured cruiser, and two light cruiser counters.
They are almost identical in shape and features, the armoured cruiser - Ghalalk class - is a bit longer and wider than the light cruiser - SEH class.
So it looks like there are indeed two different classes of ship which share external shape and features, but one is 50kt and the other 30kt.
They are almost identical in shape and features, the armoured cruiser - Ghalalk class - is a bit longer and wider than the light cruiser - SEH class.
So it looks like there are indeed two different classes of ship which share external shape and features, but one is 50kt and the other 30kt.
far-trader
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I cleaned up my post (above) a bit to change some of the confusing wording. I still say the Supp 9 SEH is the one meant to be portrayed in the RSB:
Both are 30Ktons.
Both are called SEH light cruisers.
Both have 5 cutters.
Both have a factor J meson spinal.
Both have a like mix of missiles, beam lasers, and fusion guns for offense.
Both have a like mixture of sand-casters, a repulsor bay and nuclear damper for defenses.
The big difference between the two is the CT version is J5 and 5G while the MT version is only J3 and 3G. And I've never checked the MT version but I'd be a little surprised if it wasn't badly done design wise. For one thing it has cargo space (which would be a good idea) but the CT version does not, which might fit a little more performance.
However the picture with the MT-SEH is definitely the same ship pictured for the CT Ghalalk class.
Both are 30Ktons.
Both are called SEH light cruisers.
Both have 5 cutters.
Both have a factor J meson spinal.
Both have a like mix of missiles, beam lasers, and fusion guns for offense.
Both have a like mixture of sand-casters, a repulsor bay and nuclear damper for defenses.
The big difference between the two is the CT version is J5 and 5G while the MT version is only J3 and 3G. And I've never checked the MT version but I'd be a little surprised if it wasn't badly done design wise. For one thing it has cargo space (which would be a good idea) but the CT version does not, which might fit a little more performance.
However the picture with the MT-SEH is definitely the same ship pictured for the CT Ghalalk class.
far-trader
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BAH! More like lazy artwork/ers I'd say
EDIT: And the Gionetti artwork (if there was some) might have been too close to a certain BIG TRADEMARK spaceship and a certain party may have sued if it was used
mike wightman
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Nope, there are subtle differences apart from the size
mike wightman
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Andrew, can the requests include TNE ships?
If so:
a Barekdoldin class patrol cruiser inspecting a far trader, in orbit around [planet of your choosing];
or
a Covenanter class scout cruiser encountering a Victrix or Clipper (or both
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If so:
a Barekdoldin class patrol cruiser inspecting a far trader, in orbit around [planet of your choosing];
or
a Covenanter class scout cruiser encountering a Victrix or Clipper (or both
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
To complicate things further, look at the Planet-class Heavy Cruiser on RSB p83...
Good pics of Jesse's Ghalalk at http://visionforgestudios.com/jesse/traveller/ghalalk_and_pf_sloan.htm
Good pics of Jesse's Ghalalk at http://visionforgestudios.com/jesse/traveller/ghalalk_and_pf_sloan.htm
mike wightman
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I can't believe I didn't turn the page... 
So we have a 30kt light cruiser, a 50kt amoured cruiser, and a 75kt heavy cruiser all sharing the same basic hull form, just scaled to size.
Or someone dropped a clanger
So we have a 30kt light cruiser, a 50kt amoured cruiser, and a 75kt heavy cruiser all sharing the same basic hull form, just scaled to size.
Or someone dropped a clanger
It looks like it was BR that produced this confusion. The Starburst class light cruiser looks like the Ghalalk, the heavy cruiser (Mercury class) also looks like the Ghalalk but the stats work out much different.
It was suggested somewhere that the Starburst, Ghalalk and Mercury were also designed by the same company at around the same time.
Might I suggest that the Gionetti which is sometimes called the SEH class be named after posthumous recipients of the SEH as per Supplement 9 while the Starbust be named after more energetic events, ie Starburst, Quasar, Nova etc. What the Ghalalk is named after is anyones guess, is there a planet named Ghalalk?
You could also pick at family resemblances with other classes, the famous AHLs for example are somewhat similar to the Atlantic class cruisers, the Kokirrak looks like it was a Klingon design etc.
It was suggested somewhere that the Starburst, Ghalalk and Mercury were also designed by the same company at around the same time.
Might I suggest that the Gionetti which is sometimes called the SEH class be named after posthumous recipients of the SEH as per Supplement 9 while the Starbust be named after more energetic events, ie Starburst, Quasar, Nova etc. What the Ghalalk is named after is anyones guess, is there a planet named Ghalalk?
You could also pick at family resemblances with other classes, the famous AHLs for example are somewhat similar to the Atlantic class cruisers, the Kokirrak looks like it was a Klingon design etc.
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