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There is water available on Mars, lots of it. It is available in subsurface ice, and also crystalline deposits that have water molecules as part of their structure.


Also since we are going there with technology, solar power or even small modular nuclear reactors can be used to electrolyse stuff, Once you have hydrogen and oxygen making water is easy, you can even run a fuel cell off it while you do it generating more electricity.

Some very high tech gear will be landed on Mars to make it human habitable.
 
There is water available on Mars, lots of it. It is available in subsurface ice, and also crystalline deposits that have water molecules as part of their structure.


Also since we are going there with technology, solar power or even small modular nuclear reactors can be used to electrolyse stuff, Once you have hydrogen and oxygen making water is easy, you can even run a fuel cell off it while you do it generating more electricity.

Some very high tech gear will be landed on Mars to make it human habitable.
It's not the tech we can bring there....
It is the amount of that tech needed.
Not to mention the amount of power needed to make it work

New York City needs over 1 billion gallons of potable water per day
Even at the best automation, you are not keeping a plant with a Pop 4+ alive even if every single person is working on water and power generation.
And even if you can devote that much effort to the world - you have to ask where the food is coming from

Because that's just the water.
 
Exactly, except for a number of key issues none of us have considered on that end of the subject
Especially on Mars, there is not the water to carry out hydroponics or aquaponics on a large scale. And aeroponics still requires humidified air. So, those are not likely to be solutions for farming on that planet.
Water is present at the poles of Mars. Less plentiful than CO₂, but still, it'll be a century or more before it's depleted. Stays in ice form most of the time. Goes straight to gas when it crosses the melt point.

The perchlorate salt's removal water can be recovered, much the same way any other salt contamination can. The water exhaled by the colonists can be recovered and recyvled. Urine can be recovered and recycled. If not fermented into fertilizer, one can dehydrate fecal matter, too, and then recover and recyle that water. Even the bodies of the deceased colonists are a source of useful microbes and water.

Also fun, the perchlorate ionic group is ClO₄... an excellent source for replacement of atmospheric oxygen...
The problem on Mars is the low amounts of water... but even then, 0.02% is the low end measure of atmospheric water vapor...

Chemical washing is a viable method of rendering the regolith suitable...
The thing is, the thing that most hinders? The lack of soil microbiotia. And even that's able to be overcome.

None of this is hard to do... it's just energy, space, and time intensive.
 
Which was one of the plot points in The Expanse.

If the choice and opportunity was there, humanity would find somewhere easier to terraform.

If it's just a case of brute force, you could dump a bunch of automated equipment dirtside, and wait.

Which was supposedly what happened in Total Recall, but slower.
 
It's not the tech we can bring there....
It is the amount of that tech needed.
Not to mention the amount of power needed to make it work

New York City needs over 1 billion gallons of potable water per day
Even at the best automation, you are not keeping a plant with a Pop 4+ alive even if every single person is working on water and power generation.
And even if you can devote that much effort to the world - you have to ask where the food is coming from

Because that's just the water.
You will not be building New York city on Mars. regardless the middle eastern kingdoms have shown they can extract all the water they need for cities including the agriculture that supports them via desalination plants. A water extraction plant on Mars could do the same, mostly automated with robots doing the work.

You will likely have a population in the tens to hundreds for a while, their job is to supervise the automated systems and to prepare for the next wave of people.

Small modular reactors and solar power - more energy than you will need
Water production plant
Fuel production plant
Recycling plant
Vertical hydrofarms
Metals extraction plant
Chemical plant
3d printshops for spares
Lots of robots

All of that can be done if Starship works.

Once you have an established settlement then you start shipping the manufacturing plant to build more of the above from local materials.

Now imagine you are TL8 with fusion power and gravitics - you can ship ten or a hundred times the amount, setting up a settlement for a few tens of thousands wouldn't be excessive.
 
Bamboo. Fast growing and has many uses.
Pain in the _____ to control though. Local ordinance here was passed to deal with uncontrolled spread from backyard plantings that then spread. The particular focus was on property owners whose Bamboo had spread into State-owned highway right-of-way. The state came along and cleared it out last year and it is growing back this year. 🤷‍♂️
 
Pain in the _____ to control though. Local ordinance here was passed to deal with uncontrolled spread from backyard plantings that then spread. The particular focus was on property owners whose Bamboo had spread into State-owned highway right-of-way. The state came along and cleared it out last year and it is growing back this year. 🤷‍♂️
The only way to get rid of runnering bamboo is to seriously dig and get rid of ALL the roots. Last time I had to do that, was on a vacant lot property I owned. My weapon of choice was a...

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The lack of soil microbiotia. And even that's able to be overcome.

None of this is hard to do... it's just energy, space, and time intensive.
Hey, consider this a reply to several posts. My first thought would be shipping hundreds of tons of Brazilian Black Earth. Would that be doable, and work?
 
Water is present at the poles of Mars. Less plentiful than CO₂, but still, it'll be a century or more before it's depleted. Stays in ice form most of the time. Goes straight to gas when it crosses the melt point.
Agreed 100%
The perchlorate salt's removal water can be recovered, much the same way any other salt contamination can. The water exhaled by the colonists can be recovered and recyvled. Urine can be recovered and recycled. If not fermented into fertilizer, one can dehydrate fecal matter, too, and then recover and recyle that water. Even the bodies of the deceased colonists are a source of useful microbes and water.
I'm assuming you meant "The water used i the perchlorate salt's removal"
I agree that the colony is now becoming a stilsuit-based container from the Freemen of Dune?

Also fun, the perchlorate ionic group is ClO₄... an excellent source for replacement of atmospheric oxygen...
Chemical washing is a viable method of rendering the regolith suitable...
The thing is, the thing that most hinders? The lack of soil microbiotia. And even that's able to be overcome.

None of this is hard to do... it's just energy, space, and time intensive.
This is where we have an issue.
"Chemical washing" is where you wash an alien component from a native chemistry
But the perchlorate isn't alien....we are talking about washing the native chemistry out of the native chemistry.

So, we need to:
1) Isolate the soil to be used from the exterior
2) That means we have to construct sealed growing containers and transport the soil in sealed bags to prevent poisoning the colony spaces
3) Which means we need "huge" amounts of soil to be washed - and, even if we recover "every drop" we need to devote huge amounts of water "and" that means we need to supply and transport filtering and purification machinery
4) And, we need to do this again and again for every square meter of land

And, all of that needs to be built on Earth, launched into an orbital transport, shifted to Mars, land it on Mars in pieces that can be moved into the colony proper, cleaned and assembled

For every square meter of growing space.

So, where none of this is hard to do, you need the time to transport, energy, space, water and personnel -- because the water is yet another thing that has to be mined and managed.

So, in addition to the colonial operations personnel, you need:
1) Equipment cleansing, assembly and management
2) Miners and haulers to get the water to the colony
3) Farming space construction teams
4) Actual farmers
5) Miners and haulers to recover the soil to be cleansed
6) Science staff to handle the soil "washing" - if that leaves anything behind to use
--- Break caught here: the science people who do the washing will also have to handle the microbial content
7) Additional motorpool staff for the mining and recovery vehicles

See how this list is exploding for something that only "seems" easy?

Now, let's talk about the supplies needed for all these people?
Or, You already see where this is going....

So, this is hard to do.
When I worked a past job regarding the continental DataComms network, we got complaints from Puerto Rico every time a hurricane hit the island.
They demanded to see why it was taking so long compared to recovery in Florida?
The answer was, they are an island. We couldn't just order pre-prepared truckloads to drive to Puerto Rico.

Everything that "seems" easy here is not easy there.
And, it is so much more difficult if the island is 54.6 million kilometers away and requiring a lift to Earth orbit and drop from Mars orbit.
 
Hey, consider this a reply to several posts. My first thought would be shipping hundreds of tons of Brazilian Black Earth. Would that be doable, and work?
Again, tons and tons of the stuff loaded onto rocket after rocket and transported 54 million miles away in a manner that keeps it entirely secure from the native dust once it arrived.

It sounds simply until you consider the logistics
 
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