But from my memory...not all of the components are of the same scale, so you *can't* interchangablly piece them together. And just what *is* the scale in NA, 5' squares, 1.5 m squares, 1 m squares, 3' squares? It never says...or if it does, I totally missed it. You should have heard me holler when I went through that book!
T4 Survey
- Thread starter Avery
- Start date
5___ Marc Miller's Traveller (Hardcover)
2___ Starships
5___ Central Supply Catalog
0___ Aliens Archive
0___ Milieu 0
0___ First Survey
0___ Emperor's Arsenal
9___ Pocket Empires
0___ Anomalies
0___ Psionic Institutes
0___ Fire, Fusion & Steel
0___ Emperor's Vehicles
0___ Naval Architect's Manual
0___ Imperial Squadrons
0___ Missions of State
0___ Long Way Home
0___ Gateway!
3___ Annililik Run
0___ Game Screen
Sorry. Thought the entire line was weak, except
pocket empires.
Regards.
Savage
2___ Starships
5___ Central Supply Catalog
0___ Aliens Archive
0___ Milieu 0
0___ First Survey
0___ Emperor's Arsenal
9___ Pocket Empires
0___ Anomalies
0___ Psionic Institutes
0___ Fire, Fusion & Steel
0___ Emperor's Vehicles
0___ Naval Architect's Manual
0___ Imperial Squadrons
0___ Missions of State
0___ Long Way Home
0___ Gateway!
3___ Annililik Run
0___ Game Screen
Sorry. Thought the entire line was weak, except
pocket empires.
Regards.
Savage
snrdg082102
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Hello Drakon,
I have a copy of T4 Book H: Naval Architect's Manual. The book contains deck plans for everything from the bridge to greenhouses. Each page has between 1 and 2 plans with text that can be photo copied. Since I am hand drafting impaired and do not have a CAD program this would save me time in designing a deck plan. Of course the plans are not set up for miniatures, but at least you would have a visual aid to help out the detail.
I have a copy of T4 Book H: Naval Architect's Manual. The book contains deck plans for everything from the bridge to greenhouses. Each page has between 1 and 2 plans with text that can be photo copied. Since I am hand drafting impaired and do not have a CAD program this would save me time in designing a deck plan. Of course the plans are not set up for miniatures, but at least you would have a visual aid to help out the detail.
snrdg082102
SOC-14 1K
Evening all,
I am amazed that I have all the books listed in the survey. Here is how I voted:
0____ Marc Miller's Traveller (Hardcover) only have softcover
5____ Starships
5____ Central Supply Catalog
7____ Aliens Archive
7____ Milieu 0 softcover and Milieu 0 campaign
6____ First Survey
5____ Emperor's Arsenal
5____ Pocket Empires
4____ Anomalies
6____ Psionic Institutes
5____ Fire, Fusion & Steel
5____ Emperor's Vehicles
6____ Naval Architect's Manual
5____ Imperial Squadrons
6____ Missions of State
6____ Long Way Home
6____ Gateway!
6____ Annililik Run
7____ Game Screen
I am amazed that I have all the books listed in the survey. Here is how I voted:
0____ Marc Miller's Traveller (Hardcover) only have softcover
5____ Starships
5____ Central Supply Catalog
7____ Aliens Archive
7____ Milieu 0 softcover and Milieu 0 campaign
6____ First Survey
5____ Emperor's Arsenal
5____ Pocket Empires
4____ Anomalies
6____ Psionic Institutes
5____ Fire, Fusion & Steel
5____ Emperor's Vehicles
6____ Naval Architect's Manual
5____ Imperial Squadrons
6____ Missions of State
6____ Long Way Home
6____ Gateway!
6____ Annililik Run
7____ Game Screen
snrdg082102
SOC-14 1K
Darn, Sigg Oddra beat me to another post. Ah well, what do you expect from a retired submarine sailor 
.
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mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
snrdg082102
SOC-14 1K
Hello erisred,
The lack of such a detail is one of the reasons my highest rating was a 7 for any book. If FFE added an "official" erratum page that brought together the various errata pages for T4 that would be a boon.
The lack of such a detail is one of the reasons my highest rating was a 7 for any book. If FFE added an "official" erratum page that brought together the various errata pages for T4 that would be a boon.
Judging by the general layout, and the date, of my copy of Pocket Empires it looks like it might have started as an electronic document (DTP). If so, and they still have the files, it could be corrected and reprinted much more easily than the older stuff. That was from the paper paste-up era and would have needed OCR (rather than photography) to correct before reprinting.
You might get lucky. Sounds like an "ask Avery"... </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, if you contact Andy Lilly he's probably got electronic copies of everything pre-DTP that CORE worked on - Mileux 0, Pocket Empires. Gateway and LWH are in a weird position that Andy Lilly/David Burden were never paid for the use of their work so IG didn't have legal title to use them IIRC.
Dom
IMO T4 was a great game broken for lack of proofing for consistency and typos.
The line had some good points, especially some of the general books:
Milieu 0 - Ideally in the Campaign book, but the softcover was good if you added the 32 pages extra that were on the net. There are a few glitches in descriptions vs the map but I've got a load of notes on them somewhere. Actually, probably three computers back, at least...
Aliens Archive - big font to cover a lack of material, but the material itself was good.
Psionics Institutes - possibly the best treatment of Psionics I've seen in Traveller.
Imperial Squadrons - good in parts, and also because it tried to link FFW to the Pocket Empires model
Pocket Empires - needed more playtesting, but a fantastic metagame.
I ran a fair bit in T4 M0 and found myself using:
a) The core rules, with a typed out integration of combat from EA and the core MRB plus the T4.x draft for the char gen.
b) Emperor's Arsenal - guns, and useful additions
c) Central Supply Catalog - Toys
d) 101 Lifeforms, 101 Rendezvous, 101 Cargos, 101 Travellers, 101 Patrons - my BITS ref's tool kit.
The following deserve recycling into pulp:
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The Annililik Run
Starships
Emperor's Vehicles
Half of Missions of State (there are three good scenarios, the rest break canon mainly)
First Survey (but could be useful if you had time)
I've quite strong feelings about the T4 line, because that's when I started writing for Traveller and the glitches were annoying...
The only thing that was really worth one's money in T4 was the BITS products that came out.
I happen to also like Chris Foss' artwork (minus Blue Space) as a way of representing a growing confident Empire forging its way into an Intersellar Dark Age. Interiors of most T4 products were appalling both in terms of artwork and the errata and things like needing Pen & Paper (a coded reference to what an RPG is all about?)...
I still support the idea of Milieu 0 Campaign being the only sourcebook that could worth reprinting, and only if the First In dataset is corrected.
I happen to also like Chris Foss' artwork (minus Blue Space) as a way of representing a growing confident Empire forging its way into an Intersellar Dark Age. Interiors of most T4 products were appalling both in terms of artwork and the errata and things like needing Pen & Paper (a coded reference to what an RPG is all about?)...
I still support the idea of Milieu 0 Campaign being the only sourcebook that could worth reprinting, and only if the First In dataset is corrected.
The only thing that was really worth one's money in T4 was the BITS products that came out.
I happen to also like Chris Foss' artwork (minus Blue Space) as a way of representing a growing confident Empire forging its way into an Intersellar Dark Age. Interiors of most T4 products were appalling both in terms of artwork and the errata and things like needing Pen & Paper (a coded reference to what an RPG is all about?)...
I still support the idea of Milieu 0 Campaign being the only sourcebook that could worth reprinting, and only if the First In dataset is corrected.
I happen to also like Chris Foss' artwork (minus Blue Space) as a way of representing a growing confident Empire forging its way into an Intersellar Dark Age. Interiors of most T4 products were appalling both in terms of artwork and the errata and things like needing Pen & Paper (a coded reference to what an RPG is all about?)...
I still support the idea of Milieu 0 Campaign being the only sourcebook that could worth reprinting, and only if the First In dataset is corrected.
Current Data based on the Module Survey.
This information is un-normed.
The ratings are averages of the responses so far.
6.57 Marc Miller's Trave
3.07 Starships
5.31 Central Supply Cata
4.36 Aliens Archive
5.56 Milieu 0
3.47 First Survey
5.59 Emperor's Arsenal
7.06 Pocket Empires
4.42 Anomalies
6.56 Psionic Institutes
4.81 Fire, Fusion & Stee
4.07 Emperor's Vehicles
3.82 Naval Architect's M
5.17 Imperial Squadrons
4.20 Missions of State
5.18 Long Way Home
5.25 Gateway!
3.91 Annililik Run
5.63 Game Screen
This information is un-normed.
The ratings are averages of the responses so far.
6.57 Marc Miller's Trave
3.07 Starships
5.31 Central Supply Cata
4.36 Aliens Archive
5.56 Milieu 0
3.47 First Survey
5.59 Emperor's Arsenal
7.06 Pocket Empires
4.42 Anomalies
6.56 Psionic Institutes
4.81 Fire, Fusion & Stee
4.07 Emperor's Vehicles
3.82 Naval Architect's M
5.17 Imperial Squadrons
4.20 Missions of State
5.18 Long Way Home
5.25 Gateway!
3.91 Annililik Run
5.63 Game Screen
Hi,
It's rare that I get time to enjoy browsing CotI, but I heard some mention of reviewing T4 stuff and thought I'd put my oar in.
Like Jo Grant, Joe Walsh and a number of others who originally formed the CORE group, I contributed to a number of the T4 books and - like many of the other writers - was only compensated for some of my work. Like Jo, I kept electronic copies of our submissions but these were sometimes edited prior to appearing in print, so we may not have all the material in quite the same format as in the books.
The way The Long Way Home got messed up in printing was particularly annoying, but this was one of the projects that Imperium Games never paid up for, so the copyright still resides with David Burden and myself. If we ever decide to re-print it (through BITS, for example), I will try to ensure that it is done to an appropriate standard. It would be interesting to check up just which of the other books weren't paid for either. I think I also have some material that I started work on for proposed IG products, which never made it into print, but I can't recall the details. I might trawl my archives in a fit of nostalgia and see what I can find.
To help Marc out I've tried to rank the following objectively, putting aside my preferences for the books that I contributed to...
7____ Marc Miller's Traveller (Hardcover)
1____ Starships
5____ Central Supply Catalog
4____ Aliens Archive
8____ Milieu 0
1____ First Survey
6____ Emperor's Arsenal
9____ Pocket Empires
1____ Anomalies
9____ Psionic Institutes
6____ Fire, Fusion & Steel
4____ Emperor's Vehicles
0____ Naval Architect's Manual
0____ Imperial Squadrons
0____ Missions of State
7*____ Long Way Home
7*____ Gateway!
0____ Annililik Run
0____ Game Screen I
0=Don't have or can't recall off the top of my head. *=Content, not layout.
Happy Travelling
Andy
BITS UK Limited
PO Box 4222, Sawbridgeworth, Herts, CM21 0DP, England
bits@bits.org.uk core@core.org.uk
www.bits.org.uk www.core.org.uk
It's rare that I get time to enjoy browsing CotI, but I heard some mention of reviewing T4 stuff and thought I'd put my oar in.
Like Jo Grant, Joe Walsh and a number of others who originally formed the CORE group, I contributed to a number of the T4 books and - like many of the other writers - was only compensated for some of my work. Like Jo, I kept electronic copies of our submissions but these were sometimes edited prior to appearing in print, so we may not have all the material in quite the same format as in the books.
The way The Long Way Home got messed up in printing was particularly annoying, but this was one of the projects that Imperium Games never paid up for, so the copyright still resides with David Burden and myself. If we ever decide to re-print it (through BITS, for example), I will try to ensure that it is done to an appropriate standard. It would be interesting to check up just which of the other books weren't paid for either. I think I also have some material that I started work on for proposed IG products, which never made it into print, but I can't recall the details. I might trawl my archives in a fit of nostalgia and see what I can find.
To help Marc out I've tried to rank the following objectively, putting aside my preferences for the books that I contributed to...
7____ Marc Miller's Traveller (Hardcover)
1____ Starships
5____ Central Supply Catalog
4____ Aliens Archive
8____ Milieu 0
1____ First Survey
6____ Emperor's Arsenal
9____ Pocket Empires
1____ Anomalies
9____ Psionic Institutes
6____ Fire, Fusion & Steel
4____ Emperor's Vehicles
0____ Naval Architect's Manual
0____ Imperial Squadrons
0____ Missions of State
7*____ Long Way Home
7*____ Gateway!
0____ Annililik Run
0____ Game Screen I
0=Don't have or can't recall off the top of my head. *=Content, not layout.
Happy Travelling
Andy
BITS UK Limited
PO Box 4222, Sawbridgeworth, Herts, CM21 0DP, England
bits@bits.org.uk core@core.org.uk
www.bits.org.uk www.core.org.uk
