T20 Out of Stock
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You could try Amazon.com or Warehouse 23 - although Warehouse23 lists their stock as 'low.'
Should be back in stock late May or early June.
Hunter </font>[/QUOTE]Remember that any changes, format or content wise would push that date out, by months at best. Even changing font sizes would require reindexing throughout the book.
Then you would get hit by the creeping featuritius. "Since we're making changes anyway, why not do just this one thing too?"
QLI needs reprints *NOW* or they'll loose too many new customers.
revising the whole text, doing test runs to see if the printer's got right etc will need months.
They've announced reprints weeks ago and they don't have them yet, so imagine now if they'd need to print something that the printer didn't already have!
You'd get them in December.
Many are already moaning about not being able to buy it *NOW*. I don't think they'll wait 'till december. Do you?
revising the whole text, doing test runs to see if the printer's got right etc will need months.
They've announced reprints weeks ago and they don't have them yet, so imagine now if they'd need to print something that the printer didn't already have!
You'd get them in December.
Many are already moaning about not being able to buy it *NOW*. I don't think they'll wait 'till december. Do you?
One word, cost.Originally posted by Reginald:
Say what?
You're NOT incorporating errata correction into the next (second?) printing material of T20? You're going to just slap an errata appendix on the back?
The largest cost (and time factor BTW) in producing any book is that involved in the setting, layout, and plates. Incorporating the errata into the text means doing all these again. And its worse than it seems. The pages of a book are printed somewhere between 8 and 32 per sheet (I'd guess that T20 is probably 8 or 16 up). So its not just a matter of replacing a single page, an entire imposition would have to be reset.
Bottom line is this would be hugely expensive and involve significant delay.
hunter
Ancient - Absent Friend
One word, cost.Originally posted by Andrewmv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Reginald:
Say what?
You're NOT incorporating errata correction into the next (second?) printing material of T20? You're going to just slap an errata appendix on the back?
The largest cost (and time factor BTW) in producing any book is that involved in the setting, layout, and plates. Incorporating the errata into the text means doing all these again. And its worse than it seems. The pages of a book are printed somewhere between 8 and 32 per sheet (I'd guess that T20 is probably 8 or 16 up). So its not just a matter of replacing a single page, an entire imposition would have to be reset.
Bottom line is this would be hugely expensive and involve significant delay. </font>[/QUOTE]Yup. We'd have to relay the entire book which would involve more cost and not to mention a LOT of time, and then add the expense of having new plates shot for printing.
Adding the errata into the back adds minimal extra cost and little extra time. The original plates for the book can be used.
If we redid everything you wouldn't see T20 back in print for another 6 months at least.
Hunter
Uhm. So, in economic terms (sorry, it's the professional speaking now---I am an Economics lecturer at University), you are talking of a captive market here, as in addictive goods. In a normal market, your decision to release an admittedly (sorry) inferior product should push demand down. (Part of the) Customers can and will wait for a second edition with the corrections. What you are saying is that, since *we* cannot wait, you can keep costs lower. And you can do that because you have a (differentiated product) monopoly.
Nice case study for my students. Unfortunately, it puts me in the position of, for professional coherence reasons, having to wait for the corrected edition, and, for personal reasons, wanting to buy now. My only way out is for you to admit that there won't be a corrected edition in the foreseeable future. Then I can bang my head against the wall, blame the economic system, and go buy a copy.
AAAAARG!
far-trader
SOC-14 10K
Well I don't think they'll flat out admit it, or at least they won't make any claim as to when the second edition (as opposed to second printing) will be expected because as you say it would negatively impact sales of said second printing.Originally posted by Carlos:
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My only way out is for you to admit that there won't be a corrected edition in the foreseeable future. Then I can bang my head against the wall, blame the economic system, and go buy a copy.
AAAAARG!
So, since the implied decision is to not prepare a second edition in the (at least immediately) foreseeable future may I suggest you find a soft wall, perhaps one well cushioned, to avoid any damage before your trip to the store
Hey! Maybe you can write off the purchase as a teaching aid for your Economics lectures
And a belated welcome abord Carlos, nice economics lecture btw, short and direct.
Space Hamster
SOC-12
I just wanted to say congratulation on your sales. I have really enjoyed your handbook and look forward to your campaign books.
Space Hamster
Space Hamster
Heee heee... I will have to do that. The real reason I still do not have my copy is that it seems not to have been shipped to stores in Spain (no Traveller edition except CT has ever been translated into spanish), and I wanted to spend the money at a FLGS...Originally posted by far-trader:
So, since the implied decision is to not prepare a second edition in the (at least immediately) foreseeable future may I suggest you find a soft wall, perhaps one well cushioned, to avoid any damage before your trip to the store
Hey! Maybe you can write off the purchase as a teaching aid for your Economics lectures
That would be great! Actually, the Economic History guys here once bought several copies of the Civilization Boardgame for demonstrative teaching purposes. Origin of mediterranean cultures.Thank you very much!
Apologies for the thread hijack (no PM feature)
You may find something of interest here:
Vinci
Though it may be too abstract. Still it's a fast and fun game.
Mare Nostrum
Billed as a faster, more playable Civilization.
Sid Meier's Civilization
Based on the computer game, probably needs some house rules but the components are excellent.
Serenissima
Looks interesting.
And you can click on category on the upper right of a game entry for more suggestions.
I have Vinci and am looking into the others.
ObT20: Uh, a new (not counting the Imperium reprint) Traveller-type board game ala the above would be great IMO.
Hope you find t20 in a FLGS soon. Any chance of special orders from the FLGS to a game distributor?
Casey
Seems to be selling well here in Montréal, even the Classic Reprints on the Valet d'Coeur* shelfs are disappearing pretty steadily... or at least it's not always the same I see at each visit.
They have some OOP GT and T4 leftovers tho.
* The Valet is one of the oldest FLGS here, I remember shopping there over 15 years ago... They`ve got a webside if someone's interested in buying RPG books online: www.levalet.com
They have some OOP GT and T4 leftovers tho.
* The Valet is one of the oldest FLGS here, I remember shopping there over 15 years ago... They`ve got a webside if someone's interested in buying RPG books online: www.levalet.com
hunter
Ancient - Absent Friend
Well actually that has now changed. Steve and I are in the process of incorporating the errata directly into the book text. Fortunately most of the 'errata' is really typos and there isn't much rework of the layout need and it won't affect the Index.Originally posted by Reginald:
Say what?
You're NOT incorporating errata correction into the next (second?) printing material of T20? You're going to just slap an errata appendix on the back?
So the 2nd print run WILL contain all of the currently known errata incorporated directly into the text.
Hunter
