Spinward Marches details

[DonM]

It's odd that for being the most commonly documented sector of the Imperium over the years, there's so little defined in some ways.

For example, I've been looking for pre-GURPS Traveller lists of nobles and important personages (fleet commanders, etc), and I just can't find any. Even on the vaunted HIWG CD they are noticably absent.

So, if anyone has such they have that are easily sourced back to canon. I'm using my timeline to build details, but there's so many gaps...

o:

 

[aramis]

Lord Santanocheeve is in 5FW

The Traveller Adventure has several listed.
Marc hault-Oberlindes, Baron Feri (p 22, 35)
Marquis Leonard Bolden-Tukera of Aramis, (p.22; see also 115)
Count Knowln of Celepina (p35)
Viscount Kaanagil, retired Imperial politician and diplomat, Res. on Violante (p69)

MT has Delphine, Norris, and several others in the full set, but I believe Norris and Delphine are mentioned in the MT core.

Count is the hardest to search; it turns up 90% false positives or more.

 

[DonM]

We're searching the same list :rofl:

I had hoped that the HIWG material might prove enlightening, with its predelictions for lists and such, but apparently no one in HIWG worked on the Marches.

 

[rancke]

Spinward Marches Nobles, part 1

This is not the most up-to-date version of this list, as my newest computer is currently on the blink.

Noble families of the Spinward Marches (and adjacent sectors if relevant).

References are in the form [<book>:<page(s)>], eg. [RS:22] means "Regency Sourcebook, page 22".

Key: BtC = Behind the Claw; G = Glisten; IE = Imperial Encyclopedia; JTASO = Journal of the Travellers' Aid Society Online; MTJ# = Megatraveller Journal, issue #; N = GURPS:Nobles; SM = Star Merc; SW = Sword Worlds; TD# = Travellers' Digest, issue #;

Note: The term '2nd parent' refers to the parent that doesn't pass his or her name on to the offspring as their family name. In Imperial society this is not automatically the mother.​

Abani: Family to which Duchess Miraii Abani Arahailli of Trin's 2nd parent belonged. [N:18]

Adorania: Family to which Delphine of Mora's father and Luis of Lunion's 2nd parent belonged. [N:18]

* Eneri Truell Adorania, husband of Lutetia and father of Delphine. [N:107]​

Aella: Family that holds the County of Efate and to which Norris of Regina's mother belong. Branch of an Imperium-wide clan. [N:18]

* Josephine Hortalez Aella, Countess of Efate.
* Fiorella Havasu Aella, wife of Duke Willem of Regina. [N:93]​

Aledon: Family that holds the Duchy of Regina. [N:93]

* Caranda ? Aledon, 1st Duke of Regina (7th Century).
* Nobert ? Aledon, great grandfather of Norris (turn of the Millenium (described as young in 996)). [AR1:78]
* Willem Caranda Aledon, father of Norris. (?-1098) [N:92]
* William Aella Aledon, elder brother of Norris. (?-1097) [Various]
* Norris Aella Aledon (1064 - ) [Legio]
* Seldrian Aledon Aledon, Norris' truedaughter. (1097 - )
* Unnamed sibling of William and Norris (see Garhik). [MTJ3:13][*]
* Audine [Aledon?] Garhik, nephew of Norris. [MTJ3:13][*]

[*] As there has been no hint of a third Aledon sibling anywhere. I suggest that Garhik is actually the son of a cousin of Norris' rather than a brother. [HRM]​

Alkhalikoi: Family that held the Duchy of Rhylanor in 600. Arbellatra, 3rd Duchess of Rhylanor, became Empress in 629. [The duchy was obviously alienated from the family at some later date, maybe in connection with Arbellatra's reforms?] [N:88] (Also see 'Sadek').

* Anton Royden Alkhalikoi, 2nd Duke of Rhylanor. (?-602)​

Arahailli: Family that holds the Duchy of Trin. [N:18] It has ruled Trin since it was settled. [BtC:123]

* Miraii Abani Arahailli, Duchess of Trin. [BtC:123; N:18]​

Astaarte: Family to which Avaraja of Glisten's 2nd parent belongs. [N:18]

Bolden: Noble family one of whose members married into the Tukera family around 950; the family name was changed to Bolden-Tukera. (Alos see 'Hayashii') [N:106]

Bolden-Tukera: Family to which one of Leonard Bolden-Tukera's grandparents belonged. Holds the Marquisate of Aramis.

* Jorge Hayashi Bolden-Tukera, 18th Marquis of Aramis.
* Leonard Fratelli Bolden-Tukera, 19th Marquis of Aramis.​

Bryor: Family to which Army Vice-marshal Adam Lord Bryor belongs. Unless 'Lord' is Bryor's middle mane, he is a peer. [JTAS9]

Caranda: Duke Willem Aledon's second name, which should make it the family name of his 2nd parent, but it's also the name of a very illustrious ancestor of his. A coincidence?[**]

[**] Here's my own explanation: Albert Shumma Aledon, the 12th duke, married Tara Ling from the Dagudashaag branch of the Lings. Her parents disapproved strongly of the match and made some extremely wounding remarks about backwoods peers and her intelligence. Tara furiously renounced her family and never spoke to them again. Their son Willem Caranda and daughter Rachel Estelle (named respectively after the famous first duke and his grandmother, the first baroness) consequently used their second personal names instead of their mother's family name.

I've made up a familiy tree for the Aledons that can be seen here: http://traveller.wikia.com/wiki/Aledon_family [HRM]​

Fennes: Family to which Duke Jarl Fennes, "one of the Emperor's many cousins", belongs. Duke Jarl ordered a Leviathan class ship (for use as a personal headquarters vessel) from Bilstein Yards. This may or may not indicate that the Fennes family belongs in the Spinward Marches (or Trojan Reach). [L:26] [I've used the name for the dukes of Arden, formerly high dukes of the Duchy of Vilis, now honor dukes living on Capital after the duchy was gutted in the peace agreement following the 3FW. [HRM]]

Garhik: Family that holds the marquisate of Vincennes and the county of Perez and Eriris [Unusual, bass-ackward, title].

* Audine [Aledon?] Garhik, 1st Marquis of Vincennes and Count of Perez and Eriris (of the ?th creation; the previous holder died without an heir in 1108). Nephew of Archduke Norris. [There has been no mention of a third Aledon sibling of Norris' generation anywhere else, so maybe half-nephew? [HRM]].[MTJ3:13]​

Gerasimov: Family that holds the County of Roup. [TNS 228-1122 (JTASO)]

* Evan [?????] Gerasimov, Count of Roup. Married [?????] [?????] Bartoni. [JTASO]

* [?????] Bartoni Gerasimov, daughter of Evan (deceased). Married Terrence Scutos. [JTASO]​

Haflore: Family that holds the county of Equus. [BtC:133]

* Corven Haflore, Count Equus. [BtC:133]​

Hamil: Family to which Count Steros of Celepina's 2nd parent belongs. [N:107]


Havasu: Family to which William and Norris Aledon's grandmother belonged. [N:93]

Hayashi: Family that held the Marquisate of Aramis from it was created in 631. A Marquis Hayashi married a member of the Bolden-Tukera family and for some reason his son Jorge took Bolden-Tukera as his primary name rather than Hayashi, the name that was, until then, associated the marquisate. The line is, nevertheless, considered unbroken, as Leonard Bolden-Tukera is said to be the 19th Marquis. [N:106]

* Marova hault-Hayashi, 1st Marchioness of Aramis.​

Hortalez: Family to which Josephine of Efate's 2nd parent belongs. [N:18] Imperium-wide clan.

Humbolt: Family that was granted the 'dominance of the Vincennes subsector' in 243 [the precise title is not mentioned]. The family is suspected of having encouraged Olav hault-Plankwell in his bid for the Imperial throne. In 628 the family was charged with extreme violations of Imperial law and exiled [The entire family!]. [MTJ3:5]

Jesten: Family that holds the Duchy of Lunion. [N:18]

* Luis Adorania Jesten, Duke of Lunion. [N:18]​

Kantte: Family that holds the County of Hammermium. [BtC:20 & 121]

* Count John Kannte [BtC:121]​

Khatami: Family to which Arbellatra's mother belonged. May have held Zivije at the time (And may still do). [N:88]

* Lady Maryam Plankwell Khatami of Zivije. [N:88]​

Kirgashii: Family that holds the Duchy of Rhylanor. [N:18]

*Leonard Stephanos Kirgashii, Duke of Rhylanor. [N:18]
* Lord William Kirgashii, younger brother of Leonard. [Since he is a lord he must have a title of his own. Maybe he is Leonard's heir presumptive with the courtesy title of Count Kirgashii?] [N:46]​

Knowln: Family that holds the County of Celepina. [N:107]

* Steros Hamil Knowln, Count of Celepina. [N:107]​

Lanad: Family to which the counts of Duale belongs. [BtC:112]

* Dominique von Lanad, Count of Duale. [BtC:112]​

Mavraii: Family to which the counts of Frenzie belong. [BtC:62]

Canter Mavraii, Count Frenzie. [BtC:62]​

Muktheswana: Family that holds the Duchy of Glisten. [N:18]

* Avaraja Astaarte Muktheswana, Duchess of Glisten.​

Mirakru: Baron who is part of an oligarchy of Imperial nobles who control Keng. [SM:86]

Murikshaa Family that held the Duchy of Mora in 400. [G:4]

* Amini Murikshaa, Duke of Mora in 400. [G:4]​

Muudashir: Family that holds the Duchy of Mora and the Matriarchate of Mora. Descent is through the female line. [N:18]

* Lutetia Ammon Muudashir, Duchess of Mora. [N:107]
* Delphine Adorania Muudashir, Duchess of Mora. (980-1121) [N:107]
* Elane Shankarr Muudashir, Duchess of Mora. [N:107]​

Neiral: Baronial family. Location is not specified, but the youngest daughter of the current baron is a historian whose favorite subject is the ancient Darrians. She owns a 100T yacht, so the family is certainly rich. Even if the family isn't local, she probably spends a lot of time in the Spinward Marches. [N:134]

* Georgi hault-Neiral, Baron of ? [N:134]
* Elissya hault-Neiral, youngest daughter of Georgi [N:134]​

Oberlindes: Family that holds the Barony of Feri.

* Marc hault-Oberlindes, 1st Baron of Feri (recently deceased).
* Sergei hault-Oberlindes, 2nd Baron of Feri.
* Zinovia hault-Oberlindes, wife of Sergei.
* Roxanne Oberlindes, distant ancestor (5th Century).
* Amanda Oberlindes, Marc's grandmother.
* Eric Oberlindes, Marc's father.​

Continued in next post...

 

[rancke]

SM nobles, part 2

Opania: Family to which Ramasawamy of Pretoria's 2nd parent belongs. [N:18]

Parasii: Family to which the Countess of Uakye belongs. [TD10:21]

* Countess Parasii, Imperial noble and the sole executive of Uakye's government. [TD10:21] [Uakye has a rather small population. Why does it rate a full count?]​

Plankwell: Noble family on Rhylanor around 600.

* Olav hault-Plankwell.
*2nd parent of Lady Maryam Khatami of Zivije.​

Petrov Family to which the honor title 'Baron of Credo' belongs. [N:27]

* Wilson Petrov, 1st Baron of Credo. [N:27]​

Reitan: Noble family in the Regina subsector. [TD10:17]

* Ganidirshii hault-Reitan, Baron Reitan. Has holdings on various worlds between Regina and Efate, including Uakye.
[TD10:17]​

Royden: Family to which Duke Anton of Rhylanor's 2nd parent belonged. [N:88]

Sadek: Family to which Alwar Sadek, "a famous antecedent of the Imperial line", belonged. Since the Alkhalikoi's originally ruled Rhylanor, the Sadek family may or may not be local to the Marches and it may or may not still exist. [L:26]

Santanocheev: Family that holds the County of Fornice. [N:18] [Fornice in the Lunion subsector, which is either an error or means that there is another Fornice than the world in the Mora subsector - another Fornice that likewise rates a full count... Personally I'd go with the misprint.]

* Lord Frederick Santanocheev, Count of Fornice. [N:18]​

Scutos: Family that holds the Marquisate of Heya. [JTASO]

* Ivor Scutos, Marquis of Heya. [JTASO]
* Terrence Scutos, younger child of Ivor. [JTASO]​

Sequille: Baronet who is part of an oligarchy of Imperial nobles who control Keng. [SW:86]

Shumma: Family that holds the Duchy of Pretoria. [N:18]

* Ramasawamy Opania Shumma, Duchess of Pretoria. [N:18]​

Stephanos: Family to which the 2nd parent of Leonard Kirgashii of Rhylanor belonged. [N:18]

Truell: Family to which Delphine of Mora's father belonged. [N:107]

Tukera: Cadet branch of the Tukera family. This branch of the family holds the barony of Lewis.

* Arianne Tukera, ?th Baroness of Lewis.​

Uamhidar: Baronial family somewhere Behind the Claw. [De:22]

* Baron Enos Uamhidar of Jecife.​

Other notes:

There is a Marquis of Inthe. [IE:15]

The Count of Celepina is a vassal of the Duke of Rhylanor and the liege lord of the Marquis of Aramis. [TA:35]

There is a Count of Squanine. [BtC:117]

There is a Count of Tenalphi. [SW:68]

There is a Countess of Caladbolg who is the ranking Imperial noble in the Sword Worlds subsector. [SW:78]

There is a Count Evan of Roup who is married to a Bartoni and had a daughter (now deceased) who was married to Terrence Scutos. [JTASO] His family name is Gerasimov. [TNS 228-1122 (JTAS Online)]


There was a Baron Jardin hault-Veiene who (apparently) committed suicide in 1118. Fief was unspecified. [BtC:132]

A Sir Yaricht Fruenelle disappeared in his private jump-4 yacht during the Spinward Point-to-Point Race of 1104. [BtC:7]


Please add any references you come across that i've missed.


Hans

 

[Spinward Scout]

Wow - that's freakin sweet, Hans!

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

And I am not stepping on Official Toes.

Nice to know so far it looks like Magnus' Titles are not being used by some in in Canon.

With Ivor on the other hand I made that mistake, but I think I covered for it, and the rest of them are nicely not Canon.

And which source is [HRM], the key at the top of the list seems to being some sources.

Also it looks like a lot of them are out of GT: Nobles.

Never did get a copy of that...

 

[BeRKA]

Very nice and useful list. Thank you Hans!

 

[rancke]

And which source is [HRM]...

HRM = Hans Rancke-Madsen.

Also it looks like a lot of them are out of GT: Nobles.

Yes, and it's for the GTU in 1120-odd, where I did most of my work at the time I worked out the list. Some caution required if you work with an earlier date. And I guess some of them could have been killed in the Rebellion, so also some caution required for the OTU after 1117. Before 1117 the OTU and the GTU should be identical as far as the Marches are concerned.


Hans

 

[mike wightman]

How about the named admirals in FFW - aren't they likely to be from noble families?

 

[rancke]

How about the named admirals in FFW - aren't they likely to be from noble families?

Yes, but there's no telling where they hail from. It seems unlikely that it is Imperial policy to appoint admirals from local nobility, even though it obviously happens occasionally (Santanocheev and Dulinor's brother being canonical examples). But any other admiral could come from Deneb or Core or Delphi. There's likewise no way to say which admirals were stationed in the Marches and which ones were part of the reinforcements from Deneb and Corridor. One of them could be a Marches noble stationed in Corridor .


Hans

 

[JustinInOz]

Noble and the Navy

It strikes me that if anyone is mobile in the Imperium it is people from two groups: Nobles and the Navy.

Nobles because they have the cash to move. Navy because it is in the nature of what they do. Given that +1 Soc shows up so frequently in Naval careers, it is not surprising that The two groups are one and the same.

Then admiralty would have mobility squared. They could come from any corner of the Imperium. It might even be in the interests of the 3rdI that this be the case. That would help in them not being partisan in the local situation.

 

[BlackBat242]

"Third son of sector Duke leads coup, overthrows his Father with support of the local Imperial Fleet, who approve this action by their Admiral.

Will the Emperor intervene?"

I'm sure the Imp Navy wants to avoid such headlines.

 

[Commander Truestar]

Hans,

I just found your list in the earlier posts of this thread and...

THANKS!!!!

Nice list. Obviously some GT vs CT/MT issues but this list is sweet!

Marc

 

[DFW]

It strikes me that if anyone is mobile in the Imperium it is people from two groups: Nobles and the Navy.

Scouts would probably be more mobile than Nobles as Nobles are often tied to an area their family controls/has responsibilities in. YMMV

 

[rancke]

I just found your list in the earlier posts of this thread and...

THANKS!!!!

You're welcome .

Nice list. Obviously some GT vs CT/MT issues but this list is sweet!

IIRC there aren't any GT versus CT/MT issues; that is, no actual conflicts with GT claiming one holder for a specific noble title and CT/MT claiming a different one. You do have to take the fact that the GT references are to the Year 1120 into account if you want to use any of them for an adventure set in 1105 -- they'd all be 15 years younger, the title may be held by a not-yet-dead predecessor, etc. A few titles may even have been transferred from one familiy to another.

For instance, I'm working on something involving Lord Frederick Santanocheev, and I have him down as a second child of the Count of Forine. That he is Count of Forine in 1120 means that there's an elder sibling in 1105 who subsequently is removed from the succession for some reason I've yet to decide on (lack of interest, lack of ability, treason, ?).

It's still a very sparse list, though. There are a couple of hundred high noble titles in the Marches. Even if some of them are "doubled up" (like how Norris is both Marquis of Regina and Baron of Yori and Marquis Leonard of Aramis is also Baron of Lewis), we're still talking about maybe a hundred high noble families. Add to that all the honor and rank nobles...


Hans

 

[Commander Truestar]

Opania: Family to which Ramasawamy of Pretoria's 2nd parent belongs. [N:18]

- SNIP -

There is a Count Evan of Roup who is married to a Bartoni and had a daughter (now deceased) who was married to Terrence Scutos. [JTASO]

- SNIP -

Please add any references you come across that i've missed.

Hans

This quote from SJ Games TAS News feed adds a last name for Count Evan:

Feri/Spinward Marches 228-1122

Baron Marc hault-Oberlindes, titular head of Oberlindes Lines, died today after a brief illness. He had just celebrated his 95th birthday.

Baron Marc was born a commoner on Regina in 1027. He spent much of his life building a major merchant line, which today serves several subsectors in the Spinward Marches and is beginning to build trade links outside the sector. His often-colorful career spanned the Fourth and Fifth Frontier Wars, as well as a major trade war with Tukera Lines.

Marc's son, Sergei hault-Oberlindes, has been recognized in his father's baronial rank by Count Evan Gerasimov of Roup. Confirmation of the inheritance will require several months, but is not expected to encounter any difficulty at Archduke Norris' court. Baron Sergei has already completed his assumption of control over Oberlindes Lines, and has announced a continuation of his father's policies.

Marc

 

[rancke]

This quote from SJ Games TAS News feed adds a last name for Count Evan:

For some reason I must have missed this post back when it was made. I will amend my notes accordingly (IIRC I have made up a family name for Count Evan).


Hans