Originally posted by aramis:
Therefore, a .22 (damage value of -1, potential damage points of 0-5) is incapable of being a quick kill, and those 3d6 rifles are a 15% chance.
I see that it's ambiguous - "damage value is the number of dice rolled.." I interpreted that as "the total on the number of damage dice rolled" rather than "a sum equal to the number of d6s rolled"... and you're probably right. However, nowhere do I see it saying that 1d6-1 counts as '0' for quick kill purposes: especially unlikely when a crit headshot to NPC does 4d6-4 damage with that .22 round. The 3d6 rifle is a 3x4= 12x5%=60% chance for a quick kill, if it critical-hits an NPC's head, even on your analysis.
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It doesn't say the DV is doubled. it says the damage is doubled. The DV is listed on the tables. It wasn't ambiguous to me or my players.
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Now, to make damage a threat, we used d10's, not d6's (and -1 we rolled 1d6 straight up). We did use the quick kill rule as listed; it seldom had any impact. In fact, one PC chose to use a .22 specifically to avoid killing NPC's.
Realistically speaking, a headshot from a .22 to the head usually _won't_ cause instant death, the velocity is too low to smash the skull properly, so fair enough. No one ever uses less than 3d6 dmg weapons in my TNE games, anyway.
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Most head hits with .22 LR weapons are eye shots, anyway. The .22 is not a bone breaker. And, on an eye shot, or a close range hit to the back of the head (Execution style), the .22 is quite effective, as it doesn't come out the other side, and sheds nearly all its energy inside the head.
but the quick kill also applies to chest shots, too. And as a chest shot issue, the DV is dice listed for weapon approach is too anemic, but the DV is damage done is way too much.
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intentionally misreading the quick kill rule to "Damage points taken" is as broken, since most long-arm weapons now will kill outright about half the time.
Which seems about right to me! A high-velocity rifle round to the head usually does mean instant death in real life. Also it cleans out the NPCs faster.
And the ammount of damage a PC can take is hideous.
If you mean that they can be easily killed by head hits (that penetrate armour), yes, why not? If you're referring to the great difficulty in killing PCs in TNE rules, well, that's why I use them for my heroic space opera game!
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no. IO mean that a PC will typically take 3-5 times the ammount of damage (total) that an NPC can before dropping. Simply due to separate locations.
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JFR, a quickfix we used was single-damage-track, STR+CON * 2, double damage on head hit, and apply quick kill rule to everybody. Wound thresholds were scratch: <1/2 con, light: 1/2 con; severe: Con; Critical: Con+ or quick-kill check succeeded.
I use similar - damage 1-10 on NPC is Scratch, 11-20 LW, 21-40 SW, 41+ critical or dead, depending on circumstances.
I oppose havig two differing standards for how damage is applied when the sole target distinction is PC vs NPC. (I don't mind MT's two standards, as one is EVERYONE during combat, and the other is "Long term damage" andd is supposed to be "everyone".)
Well, normally I'd agree with you, but I wanted to run an heroic action game without using D&D rules, so for that purpose the PC/NPC split works fine. If I introduce any superheroic NPCs I'll use the PC rules for them, too.
