Scout/Courier vs Boeing 777

[Father Fletch]

Technical Characteristics - Boeing 777-300ER (Courtesy of the Boeing Corporation)
http://www.boeing.com/
Cargo
Up to three optional body fuel tanks each replacing two LD-3s 150.2 cubic meters
6 pallets, 14 LD-3 containers 200.5 cubic meters
Engines
Maximum thrust
GE90-110B1 49,819 kg
GE90-115B 52,172 kg
Maximum Fuel Capacity 195,285 L (includes two optional tanks)
Maximum Takeoff Weight 340,194 kg
Basic Dimensions
Wing Span 212 ft 7 in (64.8m)
Overall Length 209 ft 1 in (63.7 m)
Tail Height 60 ft 11.5 in (18.6 m)
Interior Cabin Width 19 ft 3 in (5.86 m)
Diameter 20 ft 4 in (6.19 m)
Overall useable volume is 215.5 cu.m
TRAVELLER NUMBERS
A cylinder with the same measurements as the 777 has 2223.6 cubic meters of volume. Now of course you loose some for streamlining, but this is just for comparison sake.
This works out to the 777 having 164.7 Displacement tons using the 13.5 cubic meters per displacement ton rule. YMMV. She can carry as designed 14.8 DT of cargo and carries 12.6 DT of Fuel, not quite enough for a Jump 1 but with extra fuel in the cargo hold she will do at least J 1 and a couple of weeks worth of M 1 I figure.
What all this is in aid of is to help everyone realize just how big a "Small Ship" like the Scout Courier really is!
It also puts those starship prices into perspective quite nicely given that not only do they fly, and can handle space travel, but they also can travel FTL! What a bargain at only 30-40 MCr!
(Trader Jim this is your lead in)
Now I know that IRL and MTU are different, but I think I will be explaining to all my players that "You come up to the landing bay and see a starship, it looks about as big as a Boeing 777, and standing by the landing assembly you are dwarfed."

 

[Tarn]

Cool comparision...

 

[Father Fletch]

And here I thought I was being original!
http://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/shipyard/tonnage.html
My hat is off to Ken Pick at Freelance Traveller

 

[trader jim]

Trader Jim likes it...he likes it....gimmy the BIG BOYS!!!!!.....these big puppys can carry a lot of Coffee Juice!!!!!.....and Nukes.....so watch it Liam......

thanx for the practical useful info....please...keep it coming.....

 

[GBoyett]

Originally posted by thrash:
A 5,000-dton passenger liner is pretty close to the same gross register tonnage (volume) as the Love Boat (i.e., /Pacific Princess/).

Oh no, the Love Boat is the volume of the King Richard! The King Richard is owned by Trader Jim!

AARGH!!!

Chief Purser VB instead of Gopher?!

EEK!!

 

[Rodina]

Some day, when I'm really rich, I am going to build a full scale model of a Beowulf, I'm going to park it in the parking lot of GenCon, and I'm going to run a week-long LARP. Boarding parties can use paintballs, halls can be put onto hard vacuum by the use of stage smoke, and anyone who wants to be a Vargr can borrow some Furry costume and piss on the landing gear.

 

[trader jim]

Rodina - Piss on the landong gear , now thats funny - where is RabidVargr when you need em?????
thats instant "classic" and I am gonna steal it and use it on em...thanx...

 

[RabidVargr]

Piss on the landing gear??? Ohhhhh now ya done it. I got a new victim since that truce with TJ... Arrrrrr hoist the Jolly Bunny, we're goin piratin!

Kinda scary to see that my old boat, The USS L.A. comes out to be about 485dt in travellerish. I can tell you, we crammed 120+ people in there and it was *TIGHT*. Much more livable with a crew of 20 or so...

Scouts got it easy.

RV

 

[Mr. Oberon]

Thanks for the info on size differances, FF!

That is one of the best documents I have ever seen to give and idea of the size of a ship.

But it bears to ask: How can a small 800 ton private trader ever bring enough cargo for a world to even notice? Let alone flood a market? Are there some sorts of huge cargo vessels that carry tens or hundreds of thousands of tons of cargo? And how would a small trader compete?

 

[RabidVargr]

Well, saturate space with craft of course! Also, free traders are the small business enterpraneurs in my game. There's still the big ole Metson Marine shipping companies that one of their ships will bring in 60x what the PC's will in a year with one run cause they've got a big ole 20Kdton freighter. PC's own a (big) pontoon boat compared to the freighters owned by the big boys.

RV

 

[GypsyComet]

Originally posted by MrOberon1972:
private trader ever bring enough cargo for a world to even notice? Let alone flood a market? Are there some sorts of huge cargo vessels that carry tens or hundreds of thousands of tons of cargo? And how would a small trader compete?

By carrying cargo and freight with one of two distinguishing characteristics: It's *different* from what the bulk freighters carry, and/or it has to be there *RIGHT NOW*.

The stuff that a world needs to import or export in huge quantities is an entirely different market, and market *structure*, than we see for the iconic Free Trader.

 

[Antony]

I'd say that the scout does have a slightly better range than the Boing, so if I ever have the choice I want the scout.