Andrew Boulton
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Swords are more traditional, but handguns could come in and out of fashion, perhaps for nobles that have served in the Army? Or an order of knighthood could favour them.
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Swords are more traditional, but handguns could come in and out of fashion, perhaps for nobles that have served in the Army? Or an order of knighthood could favour them.
Evil Steve
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Do a quick image search for Mateba, you'll get some nifty looking guns. Some fire from the bottom chamber of the cylinder, rather than the top.
The LeMat is a neat one (the scout in my campaign has one). Nine .40 shells with an underbarrel 16 gauge smoothbore shotgun.
The LeMat is a neat one (the scout in my campaign has one). Nine .40 shells with an underbarrel 16 gauge smoothbore shotgun.
I've always wondered why CT Bk 1 had Marines receive Revolver as a skill instead of Autopistol. I would think that Imperial Marines would take more from today's Earth Marines (regardless of actual country) in adopting some variety of the autopistol instead. After all, it may be more prone to jamming - though that would likely be mitigated at higher TLs - but it does have more ammo capacity. This alone would likely result in it being the weapon of choice.
Of course, my solution is that Marines in the 3I have training in all forms of handgun - gauss pistols, revolvers, body pistols and autopistols, even though they're equipped with autopistols or gauss pistols.
Agreed on the halibut ..but not for small game ..well I would not use a Large Caliber magnum revolver for small game ..I want to eat the rabbit , squirrel , snake, and I want to get a pelt from the Fox ..a .44 magnum will obilterate such small game into nothing..
For fashion a wheel-lock or better yet a blackpowder revolver..(akin to the colt 45 blackpowder)..wheel-lock has a nice calvary look to it but the blackpowder revolver combines reliability and utility with looks..
Andrew,
Currently, yes, swords are more traditional. We've had swords for thousands of years and pistols for only a handful of centuries.
In the 57th Century however, swords and pistols have essentially the same "age" as both have been around for thousands of years. Both now have the same potential for "tradition".
Niven and Pournelle made this observation in The Mote in God's Eye. They pointed out that, when viewed from a point sufficiently far in the future, Caesar, Napoleon, and Churchill look like contemporaries.
Regards,
Bill
Jame,
As others pointed out, revolvers can handle more types of rounds than automatics. That could allow a revolver to be more easily loaded with different ammo selections for different missions.
Regards,
Bill
Also of note revolvers have fewer moving parts and are easier to adapt for a vacuum and extreame temperatures/pressures than an automatic..
Rabbit hunting is normally done with 9-shot .22LR revolvers or .22LR carbines. (5mm)
A .38 or .357 takes the head off a rabbit or snake. Instant kill; the useful hide is intact.
Any revolver will slow your buddy down for the bear or wolverine.
Icosahedron
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:rofl: Remind me never to go hunting with you, Aramis!
BlackBat242
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Just a variation on the old "You don't need to out-run the bear, you just need to out-run your friend" saying.
It's honestly part of survival training up here... prioritize who survives. The reality of Polar Bears is that they do, on occasion, hunt humans. And neither Grizzlies nor Polars are going to be anything more than ticked at anything less than a .454 slug, at least in any meaningful to the victim way, unless you are essentially in contact.
Which brings up another thing about revolvers: it's practical to build revolvers for larger powder loads than automatics.
I don't hunt. I know how, but opt not to. Don't really like game meat, don't like to waste meat, either.
Alaskan Polar bears are Nature's way of reminding us that we're still made of meat.
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Sure, modern ones. Who's to say that a 57th century autopistol won't be as simple as a modern revolver?
Sure, modern ones. Who's to say that a 57th century autopistol won't be as simple as a modern revolver?
That's right, a 21st Century Louisville slugger is far superior to a caveman's club.
Actually there are a type of gun called Metalstorm that have no moving parts except for the bullets of course. Electronically ignighted and multi barreled, some models have a ROF of 1 million rounds per minute.
http://www.metalstorm.com/
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BlackBat242
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And an ammo capacity of a few rounds (less than 10) per barrel at best (at least for any systems actually ready for production)... so that the sustained ROF is far lower, due to required reload times.
Looking at "cyclic" rates is great for PR brochures, but that ROF only lasts a couple of seconds (not minutes), then all rounds in the barrel are fired, and you've got to reload.
That's why a warrior looks at "sustained" numbers, as those are the "real-world" ones that matter.
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I never claimed anything other than ROF. A lot of that stuff seems to be prototype anyways. The only thing I wanted to do was reply Jame's Comment by pointing out there arlready are guns with no moving parts in the 21st century, no need to wait for the 57Th.
There is a video on youtube of one of thier weapons firing 180 rounds @ 1 million per minute. Is it pratical? Doesn't look like it to me, but nonetheless the tech looks interesting. And who knows what another 36 centuries of development will bring.
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far-trader
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Practicality is best defined by the role. If I recall correctly the original design role was point defense anti-missile fire. Basically throwing up a solid wall of high velocity metal to shred incoming missiles into confetti. Very effective and practical in that role as the ship mounting has no real problem with the mass and ammo capacity. As a handgun it would not be practical, imo.
Very true. Thanks for that bit of wisdom. I think missle defense is one of the applications that this is designed for, IIRC
In what matters hunting I would like to hijack the thread momentarily to share a decision I have made today.
On Monday I'm going to sign myself at the local shooting club and see if I can learn to shoot a shotgun and rifle. Hunting license and all that will hopefully follow somewhere down the line.
My goal is one day take part in one of the wild hog (I believe you call them "razorbacks" in the states) hunts that happen over here.
I agree with Aramis that you shouldn't hunt what you don't eat; and I love me some wild hog meat! Eating food that you have killed yourself must be an interesting experience; sort of a ritual of passage.
This might be putting the railroad car in front of the locomotive, but I've already started checking the guns I would like to acquire. Given the scarcity of gun stores over here, and my limited budget, I was considering going for a 12-gauge Maverick 88 (the Mossberg Mariner looks better but costs nearly twice as much), and a Mossberg 100 ATR 30-06 bolt-action rifle.
Is any of my fellow forumites familiar with any of these? If so, is there any positive or negative comments you would like to make?
On Monday I'm going to sign myself at the local shooting club and see if I can learn to shoot a shotgun and rifle. Hunting license and all that will hopefully follow somewhere down the line.
My goal is one day take part in one of the wild hog (I believe you call them "razorbacks" in the states) hunts that happen over here.
I agree with Aramis that you shouldn't hunt what you don't eat; and I love me some wild hog meat! Eating food that you have killed yourself must be an interesting experience; sort of a ritual of passage.
This might be putting the railroad car in front of the locomotive, but I've already started checking the guns I would like to acquire. Given the scarcity of gun stores over here, and my limited budget, I was considering going for a 12-gauge Maverick 88 (the Mossberg Mariner looks better but costs nearly twice as much), and a Mossberg 100 ATR 30-06 bolt-action rifle.
Is any of my fellow forumites familiar with any of these? If so, is there any positive or negative comments you would like to make?
