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Proposed Explanations for Certain Silly GT:BTC Travel Advisories.

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This Quote originally comes from Lone Star >> Amber Zone

Originally posted by rancke:
Well, there's Mirriam/Five Sisters that is said to be rated Amber Zone because of extremely hazardous tides (Just don't go sailing). Debarre/Darrian is rated Amber because it is dangerous to go hunting the Debarre bear (Just don't go hunting). Margesi/Vilis is amber because its atmosphere causes mild allergic reactions that clear up in a couple of days (That is unpleasant, not dangerous). Joyeuse is amber for no reason at all, unless it is the presense of a military base. Corfu/Aramis is amber zoned because of an ubiquitous disease for which immunization shots are available (Just get the shots). Rugbird/Aramis is apparently amber zoned because the atmosphere is so dangerous that the entire population lives in orbit and only a few technicians on hazard pay ever visit the surface (Just stay in the habitats).

Then there are the cases where the Amber rating would make sense if the conditions that caused the rating made sense: Emape/Five Sisters is rated Amber because everything outside the starport is anarchy, but 90% of the population (460,000 people!) works for the starport where Imperial marines keep the peace. Ucella is amber because LSP operates several chemical plants that are big enough to pollute a world the size of Ucella (4,761 miles diameter).


Hans
Proposed Explanations for Certain Silly GT:BTC Travel Advisories.

NOTE: While these aren’t meant to be silly, they might still be . . .


Mirriam/Five Sisters

Multiple moons cause large 10 meter or higher waves at all times across the planet, and the small land mass (10%) is mostly lowland, and so is frequently covered in giant tides from end to end, with the exception of a few protected highlands.


Debarre/Darrian

Debarre only has a population of 1, so we might state that the Debarre bear, in its various regional species forms, is to be found behind nearly every bush and corner, looking for its difficult to attack and kill natural prey (whatever that is). People traveling about the world are in hefty danger all the time.


Margesi/Vilis

Suffering an allergy on this world has a 1% cumulative chance per visit for non-natives to suffer additional permanent allergies of other kinds.


Joyeuse

I can’t think of how develop something on top of nothing.


Corfu/Aramis

Just watch what happens if you forget to get the shot! Also, the immunization shot must be given every day while on-world, and for three days thereafter.


Rugburn/Aramis

I mean, Rugbird/Aramis . . . This world has a C type atmosphere, and it’s considered so much more dangerous than all the other C type atmospheres in Charted Space that it merits an Amber Zone? I’d think the atmosphere would be virulent enough to melt the planet, at that point.


Emape/Five Sisters

The Imperial Marines, taking advantage of the anarchic conditions outside the starport, have (without letting anyone know it’s them . . . you know, disguises!) begun taking field trips outside the starport when on leave. They take private weapons, and go hunting for other sophonts. INI has suppressed all mention of such rumors in the public press, but the TAS has still slapped the world with an Amber Zone.


Ucella/Five Sisters

Bad LSP! Bad! No donut!


Ok, the last one was meant to be silly.
 
Why does the one for Emape bring out a 'Hard Target' thought?

"We pride ourselves on only hunting adventuring professionals (ie PCs)."

Your others are pretty good. I like them and may use them.
 
Hi !

Guess those "strange" amber zone classifications follow the general US style to express warnings dealing with common things in life in order to prevent problems with dumb travellers and layers


"Caution, hot coffee ! Hot coffee may cause burning effects!" (McDonalds)
"Caution, floor cleaning ! Slippery ! You may break your neck !" (any Diner..)
"Caution, microwave oven ! Dont try to dry Your pets inside !" (motel room)
"Caution, this trail is not supervised ! You may get lost!" (Olympic parc)
"Caution ! No swimming allowed !" (Niagara Falls)
"Caution ! Do not stick into nose !" (screwdriver)
"Caution ! Turtle crossing" (Point Pelee)

Update:
Here are some more...

Warnings

Regards,

Mert
 
"Do not lite when holding on hand" (SIC) from a package of fireworks

"Not for human consumption" on a package of rat-poison.

"May cause drowsiness" on a package of sleeping pills.

"Forget the dog, beware of owner!" on a gun shop.

All the above from my own encounters.

as for Rugbird: perhaps the insidious agent isn't chemical, but biological...
 
I always considered it to be a bit more risky than the above examples, with usually political/social effects are the cause. Perhaps not a Global Conflict (I reckon that would mean Red Zone, what?) but more guerillas, plauges, etc.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
as for Rugbird: perhaps the insidious agent isn't chemical, but biological...
I'd be affraid of any biology that could live for long while exposed to a type C atmosphere.
 
All Type C atmospheres should automatically be Amber Zones anyway. The reason that they get that atmosphere rating after all is that you can't survive outside for long (and note that Venus - hellhole that it is - is a type B atmosphere. C is worse!). So at the very least, that's good enough reason to say "warning! travel here only if you must!", especially when the local TL is near the low end for that necessary to survive there.

But then, realistically, all type C worlds should be uninhabited anyway, because nobody in their right mind would live there. But that's another argument entirely ;) .
 
Malenfant makes a good point. Some canonical travel classifications are nonsensical. (I like how that has some sort of alliteration going for it - canonical, nonsensical....) ;)

Of course, Mal mentions the type C with TL on the low end of that required. I'm sure I've seen type A...C atmospheres that have TL *below* what I think would be reasonable to survive there.
 
Can you say Retinae/Querion: E8C69AA-5?

While BtC makes it the home of a billion low-tech aliens, no other version does so. It would seem all other versions of Traveller think nothing of sticking one billion humans on a TL 5 world with an insidious atmosphere. TNE even shoves a bunch of Zhodani onto it, too!

BTW, the problem with Joyeuse was that it had a civil war which resulted in a balkanized world. Presumably, after 100 years, the war is more cold than hot, but tensions like that can last centuries.
 
Yes, Retinae is a good example.

I mean, having to explain the occasional odd UPP is a good sci-fi GMing project. Having to explain piles of them within a sector is a bit much.

I wonder how one could rewrite the world generation (using the same codes) to produce a more coherent and likely set of results (to reflect higher populations on nice worlds and lower on worse ones, to have tech minimums by type of atmosphere, etc). Also it would be interesting to run a modelling that included people movement based on rational principles and economics to see how such a mixed up baseline as we have today would change over time - I suspect we'd see a much more sane distribution over time.
 
It's generally easier to adapt a saner sysgen, then apply the coding scheme, than to try to rewrite the sysgen.
 
Originally posted by kaladorn:
I wonder how one could rewrite the world generation (using the same codes) to produce a more coherent and likely set of results (to reflect higher populations on nice worlds and lower on worse ones, to have tech minimums by type of atmosphere, etc). Also it would be interesting to run a modelling that included people movement based on rational principles and economics to see how such a mixed up baseline as we have today would change over time - I suspect we'd see a much more sane distribution over time.
Ah, music to my ears! I'd love to see it all happen. :D
 
I'd be affraid of any biology that could live for long while exposed to a type C atmosphere.
Why? Surely for most microbes in a type C atmosphere you wouldn't be hot enough or acidic enough.

There is currently some well supported conjecture that microbes live in the upper clouds of venus.

Mid trench vents, massively acidic, enormous pressure, above boiling temperature, and the life there is barely different from what lives in earths "habitable" zone.
 
Originally posted by Malenfant:
All Type C atmospheres should automatically be Amber Zones anyway.
Yes, but a system should only be rated Amber because of it if people actually lived on the world and visitors ran a strong risk of running a risk, so to speak. If people live in orbital habitats above the atmosphere, who cares if it's dangerous?

Incidentally, Type C atmosphere defeat personal protective suits. It's obviously possible to construct habitats where the risk of contamination is negligible. Presumably Green Zone worlds with Type C atmosphere have such habitats.


Hans
 
Here's one:
Can someone give me a one line explanation of the classification of Gerome in the Rhylanor subsector? I see a mention of it in the CT reprints, but they don't say why. I was wondering if BTC addressed this.
 
I'd only amber zone a Type C Atmosphere for the atmosphere type if the starport was entirely surface, and didn't have hangers nor docking gantries which sealed to the Airlock, or some hazardous biotic agent is able to survive in a relatively normal N2/O2 mix.

Likewise, taints can be biotic, so, if a taint is something nasty enough, Amber zone!
 
Originally posted by Straybow:
What, scared of a little bit of flesh eating microbe?
;)
Only when the flesh is my own, my family's, or my character's.... Why, I wouldn't mind at all a FEM on certain individuals.
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And actually, I wasn't thinking FEM's... I was thinking airlock flexible seal material...
:eek:
Far more deadly!
 
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