Planet UPPs
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Though I liked the crisper, high contrast lines and gradients in your first post - this is nice, too. 
Suggestions:
System info doesn't fit and is too restrictive - remove it.
World map can replace system graphic.
World map needs legend (place below perhaps in freed space).
Move starport (and Hydro) stuff to left and make more readable, size wise.
Add most important aspect of size - jump diameter.
Suggestions:
System info doesn't fit and is too restrictive - remove it.
World map can replace system graphic.
World map needs legend (place below perhaps in freed space).
Move starport (and Hydro) stuff to left and make more readable, size wise.
Add most important aspect of size - jump diameter.
Ravells:
one issue with your system map scaling label - your lines of time can't work on a system map unless you specify which world they're based upon.
This is because a ship doing 1G† for 1 hour does 10*(3600^2)/2m=64,800km, while for 2 hours, it's=10*(7200^2)/2 m=259,200km.
It works out to hours^2*64,800km
Quick find for distance in G-hours†: √(AU difference*2309), provided anser is below 168 hours, you're still low enough not to worry about dilation.
†Assumes Traveller standard G of 10m/s^2, rather than Earth G's of 9.8m/s^2
one issue with your system map scaling label - your lines of time can't work on a system map unless you specify which world they're based upon.
This is because a ship doing 1G† for 1 hour does 10*(3600^2)/2m=64,800km, while for 2 hours, it's=10*(7200^2)/2 m=259,200km.
It works out to hours^2*64,800km
Quick find for distance in G-hours†: √(AU difference*2309), provided anser is below 168 hours, you're still low enough not to worry about dilation.
†Assumes Traveller standard G of 10m/s^2, rather than Earth G's of 9.8m/s^2
Thanks guys.
Aramis: This is exactly the sort of information I was after - thanks I will correct.
BytePro: Thanks for the suggestions. Why do you think the system map is too restrictive? (not sure what you mean?).
The text is pretty legible in print. The image you can see occupies an A4 sized sheet of paper and everything is legible. If anything some of the print is too large and needs to be scaled down. It's been shrunk down in the process of posting here, not sure if it was done by the image host or this site and that has made the image a bit blurry.
The map definitely needs a legend as you say. The next step is to rejig the elements to free up more space on the paper. I think the Ling brand-name may have to go, or at least be made much smaller. The 'size' display can be cut down too. the Graphic doesn't really add anything (but I like that planet graphic with the lat and long lines! -it's got a good coolness factor, so I'll try and work it in somewhere else if I can).
Aramis: This is exactly the sort of information I was after - thanks I will correct.
BytePro: Thanks for the suggestions. Why do you think the system map is too restrictive? (not sure what you mean?).
The text is pretty legible in print. The image you can see occupies an A4 sized sheet of paper and everything is legible. If anything some of the print is too large and needs to be scaled down. It's been shrunk down in the process of posting here, not sure if it was done by the image host or this site and that has made the image a bit blurry.
The map definitely needs a legend as you say. The next step is to rejig the elements to free up more space on the paper. I think the Ling brand-name may have to go, or at least be made much smaller. The 'size' display can be cut down too. the Graphic doesn't really add anything (but I like that planet graphic with the lat and long lines! -it's got a good coolness factor, so I'll try and work it in somewhere else if I can).
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I like it! Great job. 
No time for suggestions at the moment, but if you keep at it it will look even better.
No time for suggestions at the moment, but if you keep at it it will look even better.
Ravells: I got distracted, and didn't actually give the suggestion I should have made...
Best: Log-scaled in AU. This allows real-world orbits and makes it compatible with both OTU and 2300U system generation.
Acceptable: orbit numbers.
Acceptable: even spaced AU.
Log Scale with bar lines at key points and at official orbit numbers.
Starting at 0.1 as 0% of window and 2500AU as 100% of window...
_ Orbit ___ AU ______ Window %
__ – _______ 0.1 _______ 0.0
__ 0 _______ 0.2 _______ 6.8
__ 1 _______ 0.4 ______ 13.6
__ – _______ 0.5 ______ 15.8
__ 2 _______ 0.7 ______ 19.2
__ 3 _______ 1.0 ______ 22.7
__ – _______ 1.5 ______ 26.7
__ 4 _______ 1.6 ______ 27.3
__ – _______ 2.0 ______ 29.5
__ – _______ 2.5 ______ 31.7
__ 5 _______ 2.8 ______ 32.9
__ – _______ 3.0 ______ 33.5
__ – _______ 4.0 ______ 36.4
__ – _______ 5.0 ______ 38.6
__ 6 _______ 5.2 ______ 39.0
__ 7 ______ 10.0 ______ 45.4
__ – ______ 15.0 ______ 49.4
__ 8 ______ 19.6 ______ 52.1
__ – ______ 20.0 ______ 52.3
__ – ______ 30.0 ______ 56.3
__ 9 ______ 38.8 ______ 58.8
__ – ______ 40.0 ______ 59.1
__ – ______ 50.0 ______ 61.3
__ – ______ 60.0 ______ 63.1
__ – ______ 70.0 ______ 64.6
_ 10 ______ 77.2 ______ 65.6
__ – ______ 80.0 ______ 66.0
__ – ______ 90.0 ______ 67.1
__ – _____ 100.0 ______ 68.2
__ – _____ 150.0 ______ 72.2
_ 11 _____ 154.0 ______ 72.4
__ – _____ 200.0 ______ 75.0
__ – _____ 300.0 ______ 79.0
_ 12 _____ 307.0 ______ 79.2
__ – _____ 400.0 ______ 81.9
__ – _____ 500.0 ______ 84.1
__ – _____ 600.0 ______ 85.9
_ 13 _____ 614.8 ______ 86.1
__ – _____ 700.0 ______ 87.4
__ – ____ 1000.0 ______ 90.9
_ 14 ____ 1229.2 ______ 92.9
__ – ____ 1500.0 ______ 94.9
__ – ____ 2000.0 ______ 97.7
_ 15 ____ 2458.0 ______ 99.8
__ – ____ 2500.0 _____ 100.0
Best: Log-scaled in AU. This allows real-world orbits and makes it compatible with both OTU and 2300U system generation.
Acceptable: orbit numbers.
Acceptable: even spaced AU.
Log Scale with bar lines at key points and at official orbit numbers.
Starting at 0.1 as 0% of window and 2500AU as 100% of window...
_ Orbit ___ AU ______ Window %
__ – _______ 0.1 _______ 0.0
__ 0 _______ 0.2 _______ 6.8
__ 1 _______ 0.4 ______ 13.6
__ – _______ 0.5 ______ 15.8
__ 2 _______ 0.7 ______ 19.2
__ 3 _______ 1.0 ______ 22.7
__ – _______ 1.5 ______ 26.7
__ 4 _______ 1.6 ______ 27.3
__ – _______ 2.0 ______ 29.5
__ – _______ 2.5 ______ 31.7
__ 5 _______ 2.8 ______ 32.9
__ – _______ 3.0 ______ 33.5
__ – _______ 4.0 ______ 36.4
__ – _______ 5.0 ______ 38.6
__ 6 _______ 5.2 ______ 39.0
__ 7 ______ 10.0 ______ 45.4
__ – ______ 15.0 ______ 49.4
__ 8 ______ 19.6 ______ 52.1
__ – ______ 20.0 ______ 52.3
__ – ______ 30.0 ______ 56.3
__ 9 ______ 38.8 ______ 58.8
__ – ______ 40.0 ______ 59.1
__ – ______ 50.0 ______ 61.3
__ – ______ 60.0 ______ 63.1
__ – ______ 70.0 ______ 64.6
_ 10 ______ 77.2 ______ 65.6
__ – ______ 80.0 ______ 66.0
__ – ______ 90.0 ______ 67.1
__ – _____ 100.0 ______ 68.2
__ – _____ 150.0 ______ 72.2
_ 11 _____ 154.0 ______ 72.4
__ – _____ 200.0 ______ 75.0
__ – _____ 300.0 ______ 79.0
_ 12 _____ 307.0 ______ 79.2
__ – _____ 400.0 ______ 81.9
__ – _____ 500.0 ______ 84.1
__ – _____ 600.0 ______ 85.9
_ 13 _____ 614.8 ______ 86.1
__ – _____ 700.0 ______ 87.4
__ – ____ 1000.0 ______ 90.9
_ 14 ____ 1229.2 ______ 92.9
__ – ____ 1500.0 ______ 94.9
__ – ____ 2000.0 ______ 97.7
_ 15 ____ 2458.0 ______ 99.8
__ – ____ 2500.0 _____ 100.0
By 'too restrictive' was referring to planet/moon counts and no good way to show orbit info of moons (important when main world is a moon of a GG, for instance). System level graphic would be better separate, IMO - and needs to include GG information (and log scale - but Aramis has covered that).
Photobucket is reducing the quality/size of the image - they do that. You can upload directly to the forum (goto Imperium Museum of Art and there is an upload in Navigation panel - probably easier ways as well).
Trade codes are redundant. Hydro could be incorporated into the size graphic (% liquid) - size graphic adds coolness!
Photobucket is reducing the quality/size of the image - they do that. You can upload directly to the forum (goto Imperium Museum of Art and there is an upload in Navigation panel - probably easier ways as well).
Trade codes are redundant. Hydro could be incorporated into the size graphic (% liquid) - size graphic adds coolness!
For log-scale system displays, I love this style:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071125134447/http://www.extrasolar.net/distancecompare.asp
(That site's author has sadly passed away.)
I believe a similar style was used in Shane Johnson's "Star Trek: Worlds of the Federation"
http://web.archive.org/web/20071125134447/http://www.extrasolar.net/distancecompare.asp
(That site's author has sadly passed away.)
I believe a similar style was used in Shane Johnson's "Star Trek: Worlds of the Federation"
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I had the wrong URL (sorry, site was using frames). Updated. Here are some of the images:
Obviously, the site's data is a bit dated. (10th planet? Pluto? Awwwww.)
Obviously, the site's data is a bit dated. (10th planet? Pluto? Awwwww.)
Inexorabletrash: It looks really cool! I like the shapes, but I don't understand some of what it is saying...can you explain it to me? I can see that our Solar system is on the top and there are three other systems below that. Size is caliberated against Jupiter as 1 (I think? Saturn looks big for 0.29 if that is the case). The grey bars are asteroid belts. If you look at the 'Bracket' around the bottom planet marked 1.2 is that meant to measure some orbital eccentricity? Are the scales between the 4 systems the same? (I'm assuming yes) but I can't understand what the scale is. Pluto is 40AU from the sun. If Earth is 1 AU and we are using a log10 scale then Pluto looks more like 1,000 AU out.
Aramis, I'm now working with your suggestion and just wanted to check something:
I've plotted the figures you have given against a Log Graph and the results are below. I couldn't get the %Window figures to work with the log chart, but if the intention was to plot on a log chart, then that doesn't matter now (I think?) since the log chart gives me the precise locations of the divisions of 10^x
Can you look at the semi-transparent boxes on the chart. The blue ones are all (near as dammit) the same size but the pink ones vary in size. This suggests that I may have plotted something wrong or the orbit numbers are not meant to plot as a straight line against the log table. Is that right or have I made a mistake somewhere?
Cheers
Ravs
Aramis, I'm now working with your suggestion and just wanted to check something:
I've plotted the figures you have given against a Log Graph and the results are below. I couldn't get the %Window figures to work with the log chart, but if the intention was to plot on a log chart, then that doesn't matter now (I think?) since the log chart gives me the precise locations of the divisions of 10^x
Can you look at the semi-transparent boxes on the chart. The blue ones are all (near as dammit) the same size but the pink ones vary in size. This suggests that I may have plotted something wrong or the orbit numbers are not meant to plot as a straight line against the log table. Is that right or have I made a mistake somewhere?
Cheers
Ravs
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From Bk 6, Scouts, the orbit numbers (p.28/46) follow the 'Titius-Bode rule' for orbits 2 on.
The second equation is useful for calculating decimal orbit values for any orbital distance in AUs 0.7 (orbit 2) and greater.
D = ( (3*2^(n-2)) +4) / 10
n = log((40D -16)/3) / log(2)
where:n = log((40D -16)/3) / log(2)
n = orbit number (>1)
D = distance in AUs (semi-major axis)
and, log is base 10
D = distance in AUs (semi-major axis)
and, log is base 10
The second equation is useful for calculating decimal orbit values for any orbital distance in AUs 0.7 (orbit 2) and greater.
There's a scale at the top on http://web.archive.org/web/20071125134447/http://www.extrasolar.net/distancecompare.asp
The page claims the numbers are Earth masses, but they're obviously Jupiter masses. I do believe the bars are measuring eccentricity.
Except that they don't, actually, follow the TBR... really close, but not quite. I discovered this when I plugged in the starting assumptions.
It goes wonky a fair bit out.
Wow, you're right, that really is a cool way of showing the log scale! I think I'll borrow it! Thanks IT!
Aramis...any chance you can check my graphic?
Major mistake -
You can't have a 0 on a log chart. It can't exist, as log(0)=-∞. You've broken your graphic by putting one on.
As for orbits vs Log10(x) plot - the TBR is a Log2(x) plot, and will NOT result in a linear plot vs a log10.
(slaps forehead) DOH!
Phew, it's usually me that's slipped up. Here is the next iteration. As BytePro suggested, I thought I should make the Planet Map larger - I've just bunged in one from the web as a place-holder (I'll need to fill in details on that like a legend etc) - I've got one in vector knocking around I drew a while back but I cant find it at the moment which is quite frustrating.
It's more infographic than instrument panel now...I played with a few instrument panel type layouts but it just looked wrong somehow.
Anyway, I think I've finished with this challenge now. Thanks for the help everyone!
click the URL for full size ::edit:: couple of errors corrected.
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Gallery/images/5015/1_full_UPP_render_96ppi_02.jpg
It's more infographic than instrument panel now...I played with a few instrument panel type layouts but it just looked wrong somehow.
Anyway, I think I've finished with this challenge now. Thanks for the help everyone!
click the URL for full size ::edit:: couple of errors corrected.
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Gallery/images/5015/1_full_UPP_render_96ppi_02.jpg
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