MUELLERBADENER
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In Adventure 6 the module mentions Princess Iradani, but What is her last Name? What is the Ducal Name of Tobia's ruling Family? I've looked a lot of places, but cannot seem to find it. Can I get a little help from a friend? 
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Around 1117 Tobia's duke is named Quinn. No family name mentioned to my knowledge.In Adventure 6 the module mentions Princess Iradani, but What is her last Name? What is the Ducal Name of Tobia's ruling Family? I've looked a lot of places, but cannot seem to find it. Can I get a little help from a friend?
Hans
The rulerships of Imperial demesnes are in the gift of the Emperor.
It's possible that Duke Quinn doesn't have a family name, but it would require some extraordinary explanation. Imperial nobles usually use the family names of both their parents (the name of the highest-ranking as the last). It's far more likely that we just don't know what it is.
Hans
GypsyComet
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The Dukes and Archdukes on record also seem to vary a bit on whether their accepted and/or common forms of address includes their first name or family name, though the latter is considered unusual.
In Adventure 6 the module mentions Princess Iradani, but What is her last Name? What is the Ducal Name of Tobia's ruling Family? I've looked a lot of places, but cannot seem to find it. Can I get a little help from a friend?
Hi,
There does not seem to be any canon on this and Mongoose haven't named the Duke or his/her niece in full, in Aslan it mentions that Imisaa is ruled by the Duke's heir and the sub-sector Nobility are all related to the Duke (presumably indicating a marriage with the Aslan on Hradus at some point).
Most Nobles seem to have three names, but are known by their first name and title in canon.
Kind Regards
David
The only duke or archduke who, AFAIK, isn't known by his personal name is Archduke Adair of Sol, and Jon Zeigler came up with a specific explanation for that (after we realized that 'Adair' was the family name).
Quinn of Tobia is mentioned in a Traveller's Digest. So is the duchess of Gazulin.
Hans
Your'e right that House and Surname aren't quite the same thing, but it's not the whole story. George V was orriginaly of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. He changed that to House of Windsor in 1917. If the royal family' surnam now can be said to be Windsor, then equaly it's previous name was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
The current lot are cheating. The Royal Consort Prince Philip took the surname Mountbatten (which used to be Battenburg - another story) but his house is Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. His sons should be of that house, but they took Windsor from their mother instead.
Simon Hibbs
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And to complicate things further, if I recall Prince William in the military is "Lieutenant Wales" ([/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][FONT=arial,helvetica]not Lt. Windsor)[/FONT], after his father who is Prince of Wales.
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And to complicate things further, if I recall Prince William in the military is "Lieutenant Wales" ([/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][FONT=arial,helvetica]not Lt. Windsor)[/FONT], after his father who is Prince of Wales.
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I thought the proper form was "Leftenant the Prince William" or some such. It's definitely "Major the Duke of Cumberland."
Although I could be wrong.
Presumably so that they could finish signing a letter before dying of old age ...
Wait, what? I haven't read that, but ... ick? I mean, I know that humans will screw anything that moves, and that they can hold down, but holding down an Aslan seems really, really dangerous to me ...
And you're not going to produce heirs.
Without some serious geneering intervention.
And if you do, that's a horrible new kettle of ... something squirmy from Kusyu.
GypsyComet
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Sure, but while there are only a handful of Archdukes, there are a lot of Dukes from a wide range of traditions. Imperial usage is typically first name or demesne, there will be exceptions.
I haven't seen any indication of some British forms being in Imperial use (such as referring to someone by just their Demesne), but it wouldn't surprise me at the lower levels. (EDIT: Or in the Moot)
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GypsyComet
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This was, IIRC, because they were trying to hide him in the service instead of letting every foreign power know exactly where the heir was serving at the moment. Recall the to-do when he was outed by a careless journalist.
I would be the last person to deny that there will be exceptions, like the sector duke of Deneb being styled 'Duke of Deneb' despite the Imperial practice of not giving special titles to sector dukes. But as for the wide range of traditions, I think Imperial titles will (mostly) follow Imperial traditions. Even the Vilani titles were transliterated into Galanglic. Ishuggi of Vland is styled Archduke, not Apkallu Kibrat Arban, except in documents issued in Vilani.
I believe that practice is informal use by peers (in Britain, that is).
Hans
It's certainly used by the BBC in dramas.
GypsyComet
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I was thinking Sayers, where Whimsey's older brother, the Duke of Denver, is referred to as simply "Denver" by his close associates, but only in discussion with *other* close associates.
Back to Traveller, Norris does have a title that employs his family name: Count Aledon.
In CT/MT (Library Data, et al), it is noted specifically that for Counts (explicitly), the normal form of address is either Count of <WORLDNAME> or Count <SURNAME>.
It's a tad more likely than a marriage with a Droyne and there is always adoption. The Aslan are always going to have a spare female or 3 and presumably the Dukes third cousin can provide a nice chunk of territory somewhere...
Regards
David
