Talon_Argenthawke
SOC-5
Sir Talon Argenthawke. Knight of the Solomani Rim.
SOLO 0706 Athene D6B9110-9
SOLO 0706 Athene D6B9110-9
Patent of Nobility Card (where are you?)
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seekercade
SOC-1
Marquis Glynn Mackaran, SPIN 1006 Emerald B766555-B
Sir Mordecai Valen, SPIN 1006 Emerald B766555-B
TAS SPIN 2514 Gileden C583103-6
I have a thing about farm worlds on the frontier with long shadows looming over them...
Sir Mordecai Valen, SPIN 1006 Emerald B766555-B
TAS SPIN 2514 Gileden C583103-6
I have a thing about farm worlds on the frontier with long shadows looming over them...
All I asked for was to be reconfirmed as Baron Wypoc...
Duke Pierre Savoie
I'm just a knight on Dhian (coordinates 2510 in the Spinward Marches sector, Universal World Profile C9A769D-8. Atmosphere "A"? Really? I guess I'm a cool kind of knight with some kind of funky WW I gas-mask armor.)
My aspiration is to be a Duke and here's how the history books will remember me:
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"Duke Pierre Aristide Wong Olafssen Biscuitbarrel Savoie the Ninth was known as one of the most corrupt and dissipated petty rulers of the Imperium. He was haughty, self-centered, maddenly detached from the affairs of state for Dhian, a light-weight interested only in falconing, cow-tipping and tabletop wargaming, and had the most extensive (and suspicious) collection of livestock across several worlds. Every time he maxed out his Andromedan Express card (a form of credit for the ultra-rich) to pay off his gambling debts, it meant that (according to the local planetary socialist-syndicalist economic system) over 20,000 peons of the sharecropper class had to live off rice and beans for a MONTH. Naturally, this caused grumblings, and although rebellion was well-contained by Duke Savoie's extensive and repressive security apparatus [Law Level D!], scholars believe it was a possible Butterfly Effect for the Shattered Imperium..."
--Shevek hekTomol, "Stellar History As I Sees It", Roup Press, 1173, p. 6656.
I'm just a knight on Dhian (coordinates 2510 in the Spinward Marches sector, Universal World Profile C9A769D-8. Atmosphere "A"? Really? I guess I'm a cool kind of knight with some kind of funky WW I gas-mask armor.)
My aspiration is to be a Duke and here's how the history books will remember me:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1011490_10151749471545733_1503837035_n.jpg
"Duke Pierre Aristide Wong Olafssen Biscuitbarrel Savoie the Ninth was known as one of the most corrupt and dissipated petty rulers of the Imperium. He was haughty, self-centered, maddenly detached from the affairs of state for Dhian, a light-weight interested only in falconing, cow-tipping and tabletop wargaming, and had the most extensive (and suspicious) collection of livestock across several worlds. Every time he maxed out his Andromedan Express card (a form of credit for the ultra-rich) to pay off his gambling debts, it meant that (according to the local planetary socialist-syndicalist economic system) over 20,000 peons of the sharecropper class had to live off rice and beans for a MONTH. Naturally, this caused grumblings, and although rebellion was well-contained by Duke Savoie's extensive and repressive security apparatus [Law Level D!], scholars believe it was a possible Butterfly Effect for the Shattered Imperium..."
--Shevek hekTomol, "Stellar History As I Sees It", Roup Press, 1173, p. 6656.
The type of fellow that helped cause the overthrow of nobles? :rofl:
Why wear a breathing apparatus, just write your world's athmosphere as been "tainted" by psychotropic substances and make it as a huge decadent tourist attraction
have fun
Selandia
esampson
SOC-13
Tainted atmosphere? Pure luxury. On Gandr (coordinates 2425 of the Spinward Marches, UWP E000347-8) where I'm a knight we don't even have air. We have to import it from Sharrip. All we've got are rocks. Have you ever tried eating rocks? 8000 people eating rocks for breakfast, rocks for lunch, and after a hard day of harvesting rocks they look forward to a lovely dinner of boiled rock with rock ala rock for dessert.
Sometimes I think I should have let Emperor win a chess more.
Oh well. Things could be worse. At least we're not like those poor bastards on Drolraw.
thalassogen
SOC-12
Checking 2nd survey data at TravellerMap tells me that there is a knight and a duke on "my" world
0503 Lintl B739AEE-C Hi Cp { 3 } (G9E+3) [ED9G] BEF 404 10 Im K2 V
Does anybody know one of them? I wanted to expand on the system but (when possible) without treading on my superior's toes.
Best I can do is linking to the Wiki.
Hum. Biggest economy Behind the Claw with a TL of 15, but they don't build starships, at least not for the civilian market.
(And, yes, I know they're a religious autocracy. I still say
.)Hans
Drakon
SOC-14 1K
I have the same issue at Lemish, and apparently for the same reason.
Traveller Patents
I listed and mapped out posted Noble patents to date.
There are conflicting patents which I'll bring up in a separate thread. Also, there have been patents awarded for systems that do not rate the level of noble (or any level of noble) according to the Noble Lands materials only and the fairly recent T5 1065 data posted by Don, which also includes a Tavonni that is still part of the Sword Worlds).
Spinward Nobles Map (2.5 MB)
Legend:
Yellow filled circles: Knights
Purple 1 filled hex: Baron
Blue center hex+1: Marquis
Green center hex+2: Viscount
Orange center hex+3: Count
Yellow-bordered subsector: Duke (either kind, I didn't want to make the map even busier and we have no basis for what a "f" Duke should impact).
I totally made those ranges up based half-remembered ideas that Counts should have influence on up to 7-8 systems or something like that. So, YMMV. Just pretend it's a metaphor.
According to that data mentioned above, the Imperial portion of the Spinward Marches, should have the following Noble 'billets' (though important to know the spreadsheet clearly doesn't contemplate the older idea that every system is represented by at least a Baron).
Dukes by Capital (Sector/Subsector): 13
Dukes by Importance 4+: 7
Counts (Hi or In): 27
Viscounts (Pre-Hi): 24
Marquis (Pre-In): 27
Barons (Ag or Ri): 59
Baronets (Pre-Ag or Pre-Ri): 35
Dukes
Duke SPIN 0534 KARIN (aramis)
Duke Strouden SPIN 2327 Strouden (robject)
CONFLICT (see other post)
Duke Glisten SPIN 2036 (warwizard)
Duke Glisten SPIN 2036 (bloo)
Duke Mora SPIN (bloo) (Problematic for matriarchy)
Counts
Count SPIN 2232 Crout (aramis)
Count SPIN 2715 Porozlo (savage)
Count Richard Elruinn Rhovanion SPIN 2716 Rhylanor (wholorigan)
Count SPIN 2036 Glisten (bloo)
Count Pimane SPIN 2527 Pimane (original_carl) (system doesn't rate this rank)
Count SPIN 3029 Palique (opensent)
Count SPIN 2620 Natoko/Rhylanor (the.barwickian)
Count: Sir Selandia Ballin, Lord Rethe SPIN Rethe (selandia)
Viscounts
Viscount SPIN 1824 Adabicci A571898-B (Aramis)
Viscountess SPIN 1920 Regina (david.wendelken)
Viscount SPIN 2539 Thisbe (deltax15)(system doesn't rate this rank)
Viscount SPIN 2405 Keng (mentis)
Viscount Guy Garnett SPIN 1520 Tavonni (djwildstar) (system doesn't rate this rank)
Marquises
Marquis SPIN 2410 Inthe (Aramis)
Marquis Glynn Mackaran, SPIN 1006 Emerald (seekercade) (system doesn't rate this rank)
Barons
Baron SPIN 2231 Marastan (Aramis)
Baron SPIN 1914 Ianic (ector)
Baron SPIN 2933 Raydrad (badgerlord)
Baron SPIN 2701 Lablon B646589-A (Scathsealgaire)
CONFLICT
Baron SPIN 0732 Iderati (grondak)
Baron SPIN 0732 Iderati (smiths121)
Knights
Knight SPIN 3123 Nadrin (Baltech Budapest)
Knight 3I SPIN 1924 Ianic (ector)
Knight SPIN 0732 Iderati (smiths121)
Sir Richard SPIN 2716 Rhylanor (wholorigan)
Sir Stedan Sevile: SPIN 2336 Bendor (bloo)
Knight 3I: SPIN 3015 Belizo (bloo)
Knight SPIN 2140 Romar (ronaldo1)
Knight SPIN 1413 Denotam (badgerlord)
Knight SPIN 2306 Shinothy (opensent)
Knight SPIN 1307 Lysen (shiara)
Knight SPIN 2224 Carse (pendragonman)
Knight SPIN 2426 Warlord, I mean Drolraw, (lore's wife)
Knight SPIN 1305 Nakgege (mentis)
Knight Sir Guy Wildstar Garnett SPIN 1705 Efate (djwildstar)
Sir Guy Wildstar SPIN 2111 Treece (djwildstar)
Knight SPIN 0236 Andor (jazzlvraz)
Knight SPIN 2110 Yori (Hemdian)
Sir Mordecai Valen, SPIN 1006 Emerald (seekercade)
Knight SPIN 2510 Dhian (draconian)
Knight SPIN 2425 Gandr (esampson)
I listed and mapped out posted Noble patents to date.
There are conflicting patents which I'll bring up in a separate thread. Also, there have been patents awarded for systems that do not rate the level of noble (or any level of noble) according to the Noble Lands materials only and the fairly recent T5 1065 data posted by Don, which also includes a Tavonni that is still part of the Sword Worlds).
Spinward Nobles Map (2.5 MB)
Legend:
Yellow filled circles: Knights
Purple 1 filled hex: Baron
Blue center hex+1: Marquis
Green center hex+2: Viscount
Orange center hex+3: Count
Yellow-bordered subsector: Duke (either kind, I didn't want to make the map even busier and we have no basis for what a "f" Duke should impact).
I totally made those ranges up based half-remembered ideas that Counts should have influence on up to 7-8 systems or something like that. So, YMMV. Just pretend it's a metaphor.
According to that data mentioned above, the Imperial portion of the Spinward Marches, should have the following Noble 'billets' (though important to know the spreadsheet clearly doesn't contemplate the older idea that every system is represented by at least a Baron).
Dukes by Capital (Sector/Subsector): 13
Dukes by Importance 4+: 7
Counts (Hi or In): 27
Viscounts (Pre-Hi): 24
Marquis (Pre-In): 27
Barons (Ag or Ri): 59
Baronets (Pre-Ag or Pre-Ri): 35
Dukes
Duke SPIN 0534 KARIN (aramis)
Duke Strouden SPIN 2327 Strouden (robject)
CONFLICT (see other post)
Duke Glisten SPIN 2036 (warwizard)
Duke Glisten SPIN 2036 (bloo)
Duke Mora SPIN (bloo) (Problematic for matriarchy)
Counts
Count SPIN 2232 Crout (aramis)
Count SPIN 2715 Porozlo (savage)
Count Richard Elruinn Rhovanion SPIN 2716 Rhylanor (wholorigan)
Count SPIN 2036 Glisten (bloo)
Count Pimane SPIN 2527 Pimane (original_carl) (system doesn't rate this rank)
Count SPIN 3029 Palique (opensent)
Count SPIN 2620 Natoko/Rhylanor (the.barwickian)
Count: Sir Selandia Ballin, Lord Rethe SPIN Rethe (selandia)
Viscounts
Viscount SPIN 1824 Adabicci A571898-B (Aramis)
Viscountess SPIN 1920 Regina (david.wendelken)
Viscount SPIN 2539 Thisbe (deltax15)(system doesn't rate this rank)
Viscount SPIN 2405 Keng (mentis)
Viscount Guy Garnett SPIN 1520 Tavonni (djwildstar) (system doesn't rate this rank)
Marquises
Marquis SPIN 2410 Inthe (Aramis)
Marquis Glynn Mackaran, SPIN 1006 Emerald (seekercade) (system doesn't rate this rank)
Barons
Baron SPIN 2231 Marastan (Aramis)
Baron SPIN 1914 Ianic (ector)
Baron SPIN 2933 Raydrad (badgerlord)
Baron SPIN 2701 Lablon B646589-A (Scathsealgaire)
CONFLICT
Baron SPIN 0732 Iderati (grondak)
Baron SPIN 0732 Iderati (smiths121)
Knights
Knight SPIN 3123 Nadrin (Baltech Budapest)
Knight 3I SPIN 1924 Ianic (ector)
Knight SPIN 0732 Iderati (smiths121)
Sir Richard SPIN 2716 Rhylanor (wholorigan)
Sir Stedan Sevile: SPIN 2336 Bendor (bloo)
Knight 3I: SPIN 3015 Belizo (bloo)
Knight SPIN 2140 Romar (ronaldo1)
Knight SPIN 1413 Denotam (badgerlord)
Knight SPIN 2306 Shinothy (opensent)
Knight SPIN 1307 Lysen (shiara)
Knight SPIN 2224 Carse (pendragonman)
Knight SPIN 2426 Warlord, I mean Drolraw, (lore's wife)
Knight SPIN 1305 Nakgege (mentis)
Knight Sir Guy Wildstar Garnett SPIN 1705 Efate (djwildstar)
Sir Guy Wildstar SPIN 2111 Treece (djwildstar)
Knight SPIN 0236 Andor (jazzlvraz)
Knight SPIN 2110 Yori (Hemdian)
Sir Mordecai Valen, SPIN 1006 Emerald (seekercade)
Knight SPIN 2510 Dhian (draconian)
Knight SPIN 2425 Gandr (esampson)
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This is really cool. Some of my pieces seem to be missing, so reposting the past in case it helps:
Count: Corr 0417 Irasumshu E554A74-6
Baron: Reft 3134 Dlaekan A583657-D
Knight: Spin 0236 Andor C695735-9 (Red Zone, possible Droyne Homeworld, one of the very few Reds with a Starport...and this is the card with my charname on it)
Knight (Beta): Core 1925 Vvrin A585699-C
TAS: Anta 1818 Niidu E646443-5
Count: Corr 0417 Irasumshu E554A74-6
Baron: Reft 3134 Dlaekan A583657-D
Knight: Spin 0236 Andor C695735-9 (Red Zone, possible Droyne Homeworld, one of the very few Reds with a Starport...and this is the card with my charname on it)
Knight (Beta): Core 1925 Vvrin A585699-C
TAS: Anta 1818 Niidu E646443-5
Daka Daka Daka (happiness is a warm Auto Rifle...)
My as well throw my hat in the ring,
Sir Cutter Goode
Anta 1517 Daka E672224-7
Starport E, Frontier, it's the crater with the scorch marks in it, as opposed to all those other craters.
Size 6, 6000 miles Diameter, not too big, not too small.
Atmosphere 7, Standard (Tainted), wear a mask.
Hydrographics 2, 20% water, never shower alone.
Population 2, hundreds, not desolate, exclusive.
Government 2, Participating Democracy, one bullet, one vote.
Law Level 4, Moderate, Laser weapons prohibited (because they don't go daka daka).
Technology Level 7, 1975-1999, the Era that gave us Traveller, so it's all good.
My as well throw my hat in the ring,
Sir Cutter Goode
Anta 1517 Daka E672224-7
Starport E, Frontier, it's the crater with the scorch marks in it, as opposed to all those other craters.
Size 6, 6000 miles Diameter, not too big, not too small.
Atmosphere 7, Standard (Tainted), wear a mask.
Hydrographics 2, 20% water, never shower alone.
Population 2, hundreds, not desolate, exclusive.
Government 2, Participating Democracy, one bullet, one vote.
Law Level 4, Moderate, Laser weapons prohibited (because they don't go daka daka).
Technology Level 7, 1975-1999, the Era that gave us Traveller, so it's all good.
Oops! Completely overlooked that. Sorry.
GypsyComet
SOC-14 1K
Every system other than Red Zones and barrens should have an assigned Knight.
Recall that there are Nobles of the Moot (what the T5 1065 data shows) and Nobles who happen to be from a world who are Ceremonial or Honor Nobles. They *may* use some or all of the same Noble Lands rules, but they aren't the representative to the Moot.
Sorry for the lag, I just got back to look at my patents.
Knight: Sir Biff Slaughtergood Mass 1028 Dreva E30089D-7 -This world will need some work.
Baron: Israel MacKeagan XXIII Dene 0622 Mushinag D575556-8 -Oh joy, this one has water and air, a little dirty but air nonetheless.
TAS: Bearer Mass 2902 Watia B545776-A
Now it's time to do some T5 Chargen!
Knight: Sir Biff Slaughtergood Mass 1028 Dreva E30089D-7 -This world will need some work.
Baron: Israel MacKeagan XXIII Dene 0622 Mushinag D575556-8 -Oh joy, this one has water and air, a little dirty but air nonetheless.
TAS: Bearer Mass 2902 Watia B545776-A
Now it's time to do some T5 Chargen!
Is there T5 Core Rules text to back up this interpretation, or is this a house rule? As far as I can tell (as well as in historical Traveller Canon for Nobles of Baron or higher, i.e. Peers), all Peers get a Moot vote as a function of their Social Station (with perhaps the exception of Rank/Administrative Nobles who have been elevated solely for the purpose of holding an Imperial Government post). T5 p.96 notes that every Noble has the right to vote in the Moot.
Until we have an official ruling otherwise, perhaps it is better to say that there are High Nobles (which are noted in T5 1065 Noble Data as the official Noble Representatives of the World) and Ceremonial/Honor, Administrative, and Local Nobles who are not noted in the data (irrespective of whether or not they have Moot votes). And that in itself, I freely admit, is a debatable interpretation.
No exceptions in previously Traveller versions. Barons and above had seats in the Moot, whether they were high, rank, or honor nobles. But I understand that in T5 baronets (and knights too?) also get Moot votes. If so, that's a change from earlier Traveller versions. Having a seat in the Moot is, presumably, the definition of being a peer (I say presumably because the Third Imperium can, obviously, conceivably use the words differently than how they were used in the Britain of Old Terra).
Hans
In T5 Baronets apparently do get a Moot vote, but Knights do not. This would imply that Baronets (but not Knights) are now considered Peers. Or, (House Rule interpretation warning
), perhaps "Domain/Archducal" Baronets are NOT Peers, but "Imperial" Baronets are. (e.g. The Emperor can make Domain Baronets in his role as Archduke of Sylea (and the other Archdukes can make Domain Baronets as well), or the Emperor can make Imperial Baronets directly as the Emperor).
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