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Norris

Originally posted by daryen:
One idea I have toyed with trying to write up is one that assumes Norris fails to get the warrant.

In that case, having failed to retrieve the warrant, he must try to seize control through diplomacy and force of personality. Failing, he is forced to watch the Imperium lose the 5FW badly, including seeing Rhylanor and his beloved Regina invaded by Zhodani forces.

At this point an embittered and ostracsized Norris strikes a deal with the Zhodani. With their blessing and assistance he forms a pro-Zhodani neutral state that consists of the spinward half of the Regina subsector and most of the Jewell subsector.

The effect of this is to also force the Imperium almost completely out of the Vilis subsector.

Being a pro-Zho state, this new Regina state would institute psionic reforms immediately. And, since much of the nobility would be opposed to the move, they would probably have to be disenfranchised. Enter some representational reforms to help push them out. Maybe even call the resulting state the Republic of Regina.

It would be a difficult act to play, but depending on how well Norris calls the defeat as it happens, he could effectively turn the populace against the Imperium that "abandoned" them, rather than the invading Zhodani.


The fascinating aspects this attempts to cover daryen are daring but in context of your viewpoint plausible. Not Changing Norris, the politician-strategist aspect of the man, extremely tricky but doable IMO.

It would be interesting to see the reaction of Strephon to those events. Finding out that the guy you were depending on to save the day for you has now turned completely against you can't be a good feeling.

And Strephon to shore up and stave off the loss of the entire region must fall back to Deneb, Mora, and Delphine? Ewww, that would suck--but would probably be a "last resort".

The disenfranchised Nobility however would advocate for the sector Duke/ Duchess of Deneb to marshall the Fleet against Norris' new break away state. Strephon's hands could be tied with a revolt of a former key noble with appearing weak and aquiescing to it--or reinvigorated, and feeling betrayed himself, order the Corridor fleets to crush him.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Could another Arbellatra appear on the scene? I doubt it. ;)
Probably not. But how about having Dulinor attempt to fulfill that role? He probably wouldn't succeed, but it could be quite interesting to see him try. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Dulinor as a would be Arbellatra...well, it could provide him, if he restored (if victorious in some sense) the region, the impetus to replace Strephon--he didn't dirty his hands, after all, Dulinor did. and if reward was not commensurate to the task accomplished, Dulinor kills Strephon..and we've gone this route before, haven't we?

Great analysis daryen!
 
Originally posted by Liam Devlin:
And Strephon to shore up and stave off the loss of the entire region must fall back to Deneb, Mora, and Delphine? Ewww, that would suck--but would probably be a "last resort".
Adds nicely to the "dynamics" of the situation.


The disenfranchised Nobility however would advocate for the sector Duke/ Duchess of Deneb to marshall the Fleet against Norris' new break away state. Strephon's hands could be tied with a revolt of a former key noble with appearing weak and aquiescing to it--or reinvigorated, and feeling betrayed himself, order the Corridor fleets to crush him.
While the nobility would likely argue for that, Strephon would likely prevent them from moving. The Imperium cannot just act against the new Republic for two very big reasons:

1) They just got their butts kicked. The region's fleets are in disarray, and it will take years for them to rebuild. And they can't take anything from other regions, because they are likely needed there to keep any suddenly energized opponents from doing something stupid.

2) The new Republic is a Zhodani client state. Acting against them is an open invitation to the Zhodani to attack, potentially with abandon. The Zhodani have finally just gained what they have always wanted. They are not about to see what they have just gained slip from their hands.

(There is another potential issue. If Norris was able to do a good enough job to get the general populace and world governments on his side, he would likely have been able to make some inroads into the Navy, too. While there would likely not have been any massive defections, or anything, he should have been able to create enough of a drain to further hinder naval actions beyond the problems in point #1.)

As a result, I don't think the Imperium would be able directly act against the Republic. Instead, they will be forced to use "fifth column" activities and work to create as much internal discention as possible.

Great analysis daryen!
Thank you.
 
Originally posted by daryen:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Liam Devlin:
And Strephon to shore up and stave off the loss of the entire region must fall back to Deneb, Mora, and Delphine? Ewww, that would suck--but would probably be a "last resort".
Adds nicely to the "dynamics" of the situation.


You're welcome ! :cool:

The disenfranchised Nobility however would advocate for the sector Duke/ Duchess of Deneb to marshall the Fleet against Norris' new break away state. Strephon's hands could be tied with a revolt of a former key noble with appearing weak and aquiescing to it--or reinvigorated, and feeling betrayed himself, order the Corridor fleets to crush him.
While the nobility would likely argue for that, Strephon would likely prevent them from moving. The Imperium cannot just act against the new Republic for two very big reasons:

1) They just got their butts kicked. The region's fleets are in disarray, and it will take years for them to rebuild. And they can't take anything from other regions, because they are likely needed there to keep any suddenly energized opponents from doing something stupid.

2) The new Republic is a Zhodani client state. Acting against them is an open invitation to the Zhodani to attack, potentially with abandon. The Zhodani have finally just gained what they have always wanted. They are not about to see what they have just gained slip from their hands.</font>[/QUOTE]#1--The Marches and maybe the Deneb Fleets are in disarray. Corridor's Fleets stand ready to bar the collapse, is my point. Strephon precipatate a Lucanic move? No, he's smarter than that. But would he move some of the Corridor Fleet into Deneb to shore up borders before the rest of SM slips away into this new republic? I argue he would.

#2--The New Client State however has a closer supply line to its ally, and orders from the Emperor are already months old by time of arrival...the jump-space time dilation factor--Could a reactionary move be recalled in time? I argue no.

In fact I posit the retake the Marches orders might work more to Norris' new republic's advantage than disadvantage--driving more worlds into his fold before someone from Core reigns them in.

(There is another potential issue. If Norris was able to do a good enough job to get the general populace and world governments on his side, he would likely have been able to make some inroads into the Navy, too. While there would likely not have been any massive defections, or anything, he should have been able to create enough of a drain to further hinder naval actions beyond the problems in point #1.)
Your caveat above, points again to my ad hoc theory to yours daryen: Norris' actions among the Fleet that remains, and breakaway worlds--a response to stop would come, and then when cooler head9s) prevail the damage is done, and with Norris closer (as Dulinor was in Ilelish) he can spin this his way, and be seen again an Underdog, and get the Consulate's backing.

As a result, I don't think the Imperium would be able directly act against the Republic. Instead, they will be forced to use "fifth column" activities and work to create as much internal discention as possible.
Afterwards, yes. Mercenary operations against his outlying provinces that can be easily denied, but are Imperium Modus operandi for pre-crossing the border expansion.

Great analysis daryen!
Thank you. [/QB][/QUOTE]

You're most welcome sir.
 
Liam,

I may have misunderstood your intention with the Corridor fleet.

While I don't think the Imperium could afford to act against the Republic directly, they would definitely move to "encourage" any worlds that might otherwise contemplate abandoning the Imperium to remain in the fold.

So, while I don't see the Imperium waging a 6FW immediately, they will, of course, use whatever means they can to stanch the bleeding and keep any wavering worlds in the fold.

I really don't see the Republic being much larger than what I mentioned above. And I don't think Norris would try. (Though some border worlds might petition to join, he will not actively expand beyond what he starts with.)

BTW, another interesting thing that could happen in such a situation is that the Sworld Worlds could get completely screwed. Even if the Zhodani win, the Sworld Worlds could still get their butts kicked. And, since the Republic would quickly replace them as the most favored Zhodani client state, they would lose whatever leverage them might have once had.

So, the Sword Worlds could still see the formation of the Border Worlds and could still lose the Entropic worlds, all even though the Zhodani won the war. That would be nicely ironic.
 
Originally posted by daryen:
Liam,

I may have misunderstood your intention with the Corridor fleet.

While I don't think the Imperium could afford to act against the Republic directly, they would definitely move to "encourage" any worlds that might otherwise contemplate abandoning the Imperium to remain in the fold.

So, while I don't see the Imperium waging a 6FW immediately, they will, of course, use whatever means they can to stanch the bleeding and keep any wavering worlds in the fold.


I can concur. I just was wondering this jump-space dilation thingy with news that was mentioned earlier about the warrant & Strephon's passing as a means to undo Norris--and judging from even J-6 couriers, shoring up the remnants after the 5FW defeat you outline and Norris' breakaway republic Strephon MUST act or be seen as weak. Losing a war is bad, but like the Julian Wars defeat of a previous era, the Emperor must act.

I really don't see the Republic being much larger than what I mentioned above. And I don't think Norris would try. (Though some border worlds might petition to join, he will not actively expand beyond what he starts with.)

Ah, here I may have misunderstood you sir. I was seeing Arden and Regina sort of coalescing there into a new state under Norris' republic, and with the loss of Jewell and Vilis a 4 subsector mini-state emerging.

BTW, another interesting thing that could happen in such a situation is that the Sworld Worlds could get completely screwed. Even if the Zhodani win, the Sworld Worlds could still get their butts kicked. And, since the Republic would quickly replace them as the most favored Zhodani client state, they would lose whatever leverage them might have once had.

So, the Sword Worlds could still see the formation of the Border Worlds and could still lose the Entropic worlds, all even though the Zhodani won the war. That would be nicely ironic.
Lost the battle, yet won the war.
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Then lose economically and lose status.
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That's not irony, that's insulting!
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Ah, here I may have misunderstood you sir. I was seeing Arden and Regina sort of coalescing there into a new state under Norris' republic, and with the loss of Jewell and Vilis a 4 subsector mini-state emerging.
I see Norris as seeing this as an opportunity for his grand experiments. Because we have the omniscient view across time, we know what Norris wants to do (i.e. psionic and representational reforms), but he can never do it until much later (after the formation of the Regency). However, if he uses the spinoff resulting from an Imperial loss in the 5FW, he has the opportunity to run these experiments much, much earlier, and spin them up much more quickly. (So, for example, he isn't purging pro-Imperial nobles, he is instituting his representational reforms. Much better chance of buy-in from the populace.)

As a result of this, he doesn't want any worlds that don't want to be with him. He grabs the Jewells, because they are convenient and leaderless. But he won't grab Arden because they have an existing structure, and that would be an act of aggression. He needs to avoid acts of outright agression to show the Imperium (and his Zhodani sponsors) that he is militarily harmless and non-expansionistic.

Lost the battle, yet won the war. Then lose economically and lose status. That's not irony, that's insulting!
Yeah, well, I still gotta make sure the Darrians get their Entropic worlds back.
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Yes, all of my background is written with the idea that the Rebellion does occur, and indeed, the Virus is unleashed as well.

Originally posted by daryen:
To make epicenter's idea work requires Norris to be taken out around 1140. Doing it earlier (pretty much any time prior to 1130 or so) would cause the DoD to flat out collapse. Besides, he wanted the representation reforms to be the catalyst. That did come out until 1140 or so.

No, to make epicenter's idea consistent requires just one minor change: the young girl is not Norris's daughter, but rather his granddaughter. Just have Seldrian get jiggy at the right time (so the granddaughter is the age you want), and there you are. Just be sure to kill Seldrian in a "separate and unrelated" incident.

(Or, better yet, if you are a vile and disgusting slimeball, make Seldrian one of the conspirators. In that case, she is taken out by one of the loyalists, if not Strephon himself. That would give him clear bill to care for the granddaughter.)
Whoops. Yeah, I've never really gotten into the geneaology of Norris and such - I don't really buy very much Traveller gear beyond the basic books.

If it's his granddaughter, that works out even better. The democratization reforms of Norris are what prompt the nobles to knock him off. To get into a little more detail:

Everyone (even Strephon) knew about Norris' hidden leanings. They knew he's in favor of democracy. They knew he's gay (remember IMTU - a gay Norris just makes the guy more realistic and believable to me) and therefore less likely to produce an heir. After he starts seeing Dilgaadin, they know he's in favor of psionic reform. However, it's the Emperor's job to know his nobles, and there's no stigma in IMTU for being gay - but it made Norris more controllable and predictable. And the guy did get results, so more power to him.

Of course, his pro-psionic leanings also meant his downfall. Since the 5FW, the INI has had a a series of powerful psionics, always female, with the best psionic gear the 3I could produce hanging around Norris in some capacity. The gal was there at first to protect Norris (covertly) against the Zhodani and to make sure the Zhodani hadn't made a "Manchurian Candidate" out of Norris. The gear was added after Dilgaadin started hanging around to make sure that Dilgaadin nor any of the psions around Norris ever knew this agent was psionic. The woman's job was to periodically do a "loyality check" of Norris due to his pro-psionic leanings (being that close to the Zhodani it always pays to make sure). The INI operative was always a woman because that'd ensure that Norris would be cordial and friendly with her and she could be quite close, but without sexual attraction, he'd never pry too much into who she was or what she was doing besides being some Naval liaision to the Duke. No few of these became such good friends with Norris that they'd get "Holiday Cards" from him after they'd been rotated out of their posts.

It's one of these sweeps that detected the imminent "democracy reforms" that Norris planned to spring on the DoD. The officer reported it to her superiors, her superiors (naval nobles) discussed it with their friends, and so on.

If Seldrian doesn't work due to timeline constraints, then Seldrian would be one of the conspirators (the players haven't worked their way out to the Regency yet so I can still change stuff). No doubt she was a strong-willed noble and was probably pretty sure she's some distaff clone of her father. The reading of Norris I had was that the guy might be a brilliant and charismatic man in public, he always seemed a bit akward in intimate and personal settings (probably a holdover from the "stigma" of trying to figure out he was gay) - no doubt it required the psionic Dilgaadin to make Norris open up, and he probably never did publically come out of the closet. All this points (to me) that Norris probably wouldn't have been a good father (only partially his fault - he was indeed very busy but loved the limelight more than his "necessary" clone), but instead a rather distant one who overcompensated by being an overly protective one. No doubt he was "saving" her to be married off to some oppurtune noble or something and severely limited her contacts. Her contacts with the world would probably have been various noble contacts, her tutors, and a few dozen social "sightings" a year to help her father out.

Such a daughter, steepled in the nobility of the Imperium would be as strong-willed as her father, but be strong-willed for other causes. She'd join in with the group overthrowing her dad as a "regrettable but necessary" action. After Norris' fall, a lot of the political wrangling would be between Delphine and Seldrian. Seldrian would probably marry some suitable man and get to producing an heir, but in this case, the apple wouldn't fall that far from the tree and their daughter would be raised by Strephon as my original plan.

The entire point of this wrangling is because I don't envision the Regency as England of the 1920s. I envision it as the Byzantine Empire - a fragment of old Rome left after the fall of the Western Empire. Or in this case, the Eastern Empire. I require a firm believer in the nobility to rule the (now) opulent Regency in a world without Avery. An empire that prefers to live in the gilded dreams of a bygone era than face reality.

To the north and east, you have the former Empire now overrun by howling Vargr, homicidal computers, and savages. The Virus plays the role of the Mongols, incidentally. The Vargr the "barbarian" tribes like the Vandals and such.

To the west, you have the inscrutible threat of the Zhodani who fulfill the role of the Islamic states of the period.

The displaced Vilani play the role of Georgians, Armenians, and similar groups displaced and often petitioning the Domain for this, that, and the other thing (as well as providing a good core of troops).

The Empress-Regent has followed her grandfather's plan of co-opting the Aslan - so much so that she's now has her version of the Varangian Guard - the Hirakyiir, the "Sword Bearers" - the matriarchal clan-commanders of Aslan who dwell within the Regency (in the new Aslan society, these females - of which there are 29 of course - are negotiators and diplomats to the human government of the Regency but also wear 'court armor' and serve as an incorruptible bodyguard to the Empress-Regent). These guys fulfill the role of the Turkopoles and such as a sort of pronoiai - that is, in return for fighting against the Domain's enemies, they're granted a small plot of land with a feudal requirement that when the Regency calls again, they and their sons have go and fight. However, when that campaign ends, the ihatei can be assured they will be granted plots of land of their own. The Domain has used these guys to tremendous effect against Vargr. However, a side-effect is that non-ethnic human armies of the Domain are dwindling and becoming more of a glittering show-force whose elan and effectiveness are in decline (however, their battledress is becoming ever more elaborate and impressive looking).
 
Originally posted by daryen:
]Yeah, well, I still gotta make sure the Darrians get their Entropic worlds back.
Daryen,

Ah, Entrope... one of the many mysteries of the Marches...

Check out Entrope's population figure and then compare that figure to the total population of either the Darrian Confederation or Sword Worlds Condefederation. Something seem odd?

Tell me, do the Darrians and Swordies actually conquer Entrope or does Entrope just choose to switch sides?


Have fun,
Bill
 
On a total side note:

What is it with people and the Darrians/Sword Worlders anyway?

Just say NO to Space Elves. Sheesh. I love D&D (and I admit I love Spelljammer, even) but not in Traveller, please.

Okay, got the troll out of my system. But really, what is it with people and those annoying guys in the Marches?
 
Psst: lookit daryen's handle. He's obviously keen on 'em.
Seriously though he's done a lot of research and typing on them and runs a good website.

I chalk it up to a doomed pointy-ear fetish. After all they're misunderstood and mispresented. And can blow up your star if you make them angry! ^__^

Me I prefer such folk (the type in general, not Darrians per se) as rare indviduals with vulnerabilities, just not the same perhaps as regular types. Usually best left as NPCs. As always YMMV.
 
Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
Ah, Entrope... one of the many mysteries of the Marches...

Check out Entrope's population figure and then compare that figure to the total population of either the Darrian Confederation or Sword Worlds Condefederation. Something seem odd?
Actually, that is an error in the internet files. If you look at the actual sources (which I have had to do for other things), the population multiplier for Entrope is only a "1". So, Entrope only has a population of 10-19 billion. Yes, quite a lot, and balance affecting, but not game-bending.

The problem is that the Internet files use a multiplier of "7", which is completely out of whack. I think what happened is that the PPG info was a transposition of its hex number (hex 0720 -> PPG 720). The actual published PPG for Entrope has always been 110.

Tell me, do the Darrians and Swordies actually conquer Entrope or does Entrope just choose to switch sides?
That all said, I have always viewed the majority of the Entropic switches as changes of allegiance, rather than conquest or some such. The only exception to that is the switch at the end of the 4FW. In order to explain how Entrope functioned in the Sword Worlds for the 5FW, and its crap starport, I have to assume that the Sword Worlds were occupying the world, and that it was not a full member of the Sword Worlds. (Though I give it a quisling government that was moderately popular with the populace.)

When the Darrians took it back, it was more a matter of instigating a civil war and making sure the "right" side won.

Yeah, more than you wanted to know, but I am Daryen after all.
 
Originally posted by epicenter00:
What is it with people and the Darrians/Sword Worlders anyway?
I love them because of their classical dicotomy. You have the fewer in number, higher tech society vs. the greater in number, lower tech society. The intellectual snobs (i.e. nerds) vs. the proud athletes (i.e. jocks). The cunning vs. the brutal. The dispassionate vs. the passionate.

I could go on, but you get the idea. They are just wonderful opposites.

Just say NO to Space Elves. Sheesh. I love D&D (and I admit I love Spelljammer, even) but not in Traveller, please.
OK, please, enough with the "Space Elves" crap. Yes, in their presentation in JTAS 14 they were kinda "Space Elves". However, that was thrown out (well, except for the ears) by Alien Module 8 and everything after. The Darrians may be a lot of things, but "Space Elves" ain't one of them.

(Seriously, if you are going to critisize them, critisize them for being Traveller's "Vulcans-lite".)

The Darrians haven't been "Space Elves" for over twenty years.
 
Originally posted by epicenter00:
They knew he's gay (remember IMTU - a gay Norris just makes the guy more realistic and believable to me) and therefore less likely to produce an heir. After he starts seeing Dilgaadin, they know he's in favor of psionic reform. However, it's the Emperor's job to know his nobles, and there's no stigma in IMTU for being gay - but it made Norris more controllable and predictable. And the guy did get results, so more power to him.
At the risk of, well, I don't know what. But, none of this is only YTU. Nothing you have said above violates official canon in any way.

If Seldrian doesn't work due to timeline constraints, then Seldrian would be one of the conspirators (the players haven't worked their way out to the Regency yet so I can still change stuff). No doubt she was a strong-willed noble and was probably pretty sure she's some distaff clone of her father.
Seldrian was a "free clone", and her status was known to all. She was born/created in 1098 (or so). Yes, she had her father's personality, and was as strong-willed as he. In the OTU, she supported Norris's goals (including both reforms), but there is nothing wrong at all with having her develop more "loyalist" leanings. It works well, too.

All this points (to me) that Norris probably wouldn't have been a good father (only partially his fault - he was indeed very busy but loved the limelight more than his "necessary" clone), but instead a rather distant one who overcompensated by being an overly protective one.
The Regency Sourcebook implies that they had a reasonable relationship. Also, she was not a "necessary" clone, but rather created by him to be his successor, and as such was treated as a daughter. Now, I do believe this relationship was severely harmed when she was pushed into a marriage with Avery, but even then she was still his loyal successor.

Despite being a clone, she was never treated as such. (E.g. like one of Strephon's clones, who were never "real people".) Seldrian was a "real" person, and treated as such. In every way, except for her "birth", she was Norris's daughter and heir.

That all said, your story works fine and is not really too far of a divergence. I like the way you slowly alienate them, and have them grow apart.

I suggest stressing the "clone" part. Norris created her to be his daughter and successor. Having him never get over how she was created, and always having that thought that she was "less of a person" despite his best intentions will really push the relationship like you want.

Seldrian would probably marry some suitable man and get to producing an heir, but in this case, the apple wouldn't fall that far from the tree and their daughter would be raised by Strephon as my original plan.
Why have her marry? Having Seldrian's daughter be a bastard helps your story. Her daughter will herself be distanced from Seldrian, leaving a huge opening for Strephon to enter. Yet, despite her bastard-ness, she is still Seldrian's heir. Now Strephon has as free a hand as he wants to teach and mould the impressionable girl.

I think you have a great setting. Good luck with it.
 
Originally posted by epicenter00:
Everyone (even Strephon) knew about Norris' hidden leanings. They knew he's in favor of democracy. They knew he's gay (remember IMTU - a gay Norris just makes the guy more realistic and believable to me) and therefore less likely to produce an heir.
Epicenter,

Great setting ideas, but I must take exception with the assumptions you stated above.

First, Norris is no hidden democrat. He's a pragmatist first and foremost. He did what was necessary to save the Marches in the 5th FW and he does what is necessary to save the Domain in the Rebellion and Viral Era. The Representational Reforms don't institute multi-party democracies on every remaining world in the Domain. All they do is allow a world to choose it's representives to the interstellar government as it sees fit. Some are elected at large, some are appointed by governments, and some still inherit the job. It all depends on the world in question.

RSB flatly states that some Regency-level nobles lose their titles, some Regency-level nobles don't, and many Regency-level nobles simply step into a new role as a world's representative. There is no wholesale destruction of the nobility and no wholesale introduction of anything we would view as a democracy. Remember, strictly speaking, the Consulate is a democracy too.

Second, the idea that Norris' homsexuality prevents him from producing an heir is a case of cultural myopia. That's a very 21st Century attitude and one that isn't even true in the 21st Century! Norris' relationship with Branj is kept hidden for another reason entirely.

After he starts seeing Dilgaadin, they know he's in favor of psionic reform.
How many people know Dilgaadin is psionic?

However, it's the Emperor's job to know his nobles, and there's no stigma in IMTU for being gay...
There is no stigma for being homosexual in the OTU. LKW has flatly stated that. Certain worlds, certain cultures, sure. But at the level Norris moves at there is no stigma associated with homosexuality.

There is a stigma associated with psionics however.

The Imperium uses psionics. Any Imperial who thinks about the situation must come to that conclusion. Imperials at Norris' level know it as a certainty. It's a necessary evil. You use psions for the good of the empire, they're just another tool like anthrax, torture, and nuking biospheres.

What Imperial society will not accept is a voluntary relationship of a personal nature with a practicing psion.

That's what Norris and Branj are hiding. It isn't sexual orientation. It is Branj's psionic ability instead. Norris and Branj could behave as if they were Divine and Rip Taylor on a fully paid Las Vegas weekend and the Imperium wouldn't bat an eyelash. What will ruin Norris is Branj's being a psion and that's why their relationship is hidden.

LKW has also flatly stated that Norris wasn't homosexual to begin with. It's a retcon like the Real Strephon becoming the real Strephon. Norris was simply a bachelor, the hobby jumped to the conclusion, and GDW decided it added to the richness of the setting. It does too.

I really like your ideas regarding Norris' and Seldrian's personal relationship and how it changed over time.


Have fun,
Bill
 
Is Norris a good guy at all?

He heads the government apparatus that locks up nobles and senators in prison hulks - and possibly has them tortured too. ;)
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Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Is Norris a good guy at all?

He heads the government apparatus that locks up nobles and senators in prison hulks - and possibly has them tortured too. ;)
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And the Duchy of Regina is technically subordinate to the Duchess of Mora as the sector duchess. It is entirely possible to blame that situation on her.

And who would say that Norris isn't above covertly sponsoring a prison break?
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The subsector government has suppressed this information; but it has treacherously offered a reward of Cr1,000,000 for the senator's location in order to conceal its involvement in his disappearance.
 
I actually retconned that scenario so it took place during the Fifth Frontier War. The "senator" was Norris himself! This was shortly before he got hold of the Imperial Warrant and turned the tables on Santanocheev.
 
Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Is Norris a good guy at all?
Yes, in the canon sources, Norris is a "good guy". He will do nasty stuff if he believes it to be absolutely necessary, but he will at least feel guilty about it later.

He is pragmatic to a fault. But, fundamentally, he is a "good guy" in the game.

Now, none of this means that Norris has to be a good guy. He does have enough shades of grey and skeletons in his closet to allow you to make him as black as you want him.
 
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