Neighbors Outside Charted Space ?!? What?

[Nathan Brazil]

I now have my new 656 page door jam, yay! I'm a happy dog!

So I read thru this and I have to ask, who are all the new neighbors to Charted Space? Have they been mentioned before? Specifically:

pg 16
The Kursae

pg 417
Dushis Khurisi (apparently an actual empire) on the far side of the galaxy
Abyssals
Core Sophonts? (You mean besides the Yaskodri?)
Denizens
Essaray

and just how do they know The Barren Arm is barren?

 

[Draconian]

I now have my new 656 page door jam, yay! I'm a happy dog!

So I read thru this and I have to ask, who are all the new neighbors to Charted Space? Have they been mentioned before? Specifically:

pg 16
The Kursae

pg 417
Dushis Khurisi (apparently an actual empire) on the far side of the galaxy
Abyssals
Core Sophonts? (You mean besides the Yaskodri?)
Denizens
Essaray

and just how do they know The Barren Arm is barren?

When I try the Traveller Wiki there is nothing mentioned about them. These appear to be "throwaway" factoids that can't come into play unless your characters somehow access or are visited by one of the improved levels of jump drive (hop, skip, bounce, shake, rattle and roll...)

The names Kursae (a culture that settled worlds 200,000 years ago according to T5) and Dushis Khurisi appear to be similar. When I played a computer game called STAR CONTROL 2, there was a reference to a civilization in the Lynx constellation when in fact the map only mentioned Lyncis and it was up to you to figure out that this was a new form of the old name and if you went there you in fact found the alien culture spoken of. Could there be something like that operating here too?

 

[GypsyComet]

They may be there for the purposes of the "Far Far Future" entry on page 17's table.

 

[Nathan Brazil]

Also interesting is the part that the IISS Second Survey has this information at all. What TL is the Imperium at the time of the Survey, and how did they get this data?

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Excuse me, Citizen.

Also interesting is the part that the IISS Second Survey has this information at all. What TL is the Imperium at the time of the Survey, and how did they get this data?

Could you step over to this Grav van?

We would like to speak to you about the Official Secrets Acts and possession of classified IISS documents.

:devil:

 

[Lycanorukke]

Some information may have leaked/stolen from the Zho core expeditions or picked up by the Longbow project.

Then again, it could just be the equivilant of "Here be Dragons" or as reliable as "A friend of a friend of a friend met these aliens who met some other aliens who say....".)

 

[Nathan Brazil]

Possibly Longbow could answer part of this as the project began in the 800's and the Second Survey was published in 1065 (being compiled after 70 years of work).

Two issues with that though.


1.The Dushis Khurisi would be hard to find as the they are opposite the galactic core with respect to Charted Space and would be in the "Zone of Avoidance" that current astronomers have to deal with. Could Longbow handle the ZOA?

2.In any case, can Longbow be redirected/swivelled to scan other areas of the galaxy?

 

[robject]

[...] can Longbow be redirected/swivelled to scan other areas of the galaxy?

I don't know, but it seems that the easiest capability to add to Longbow would be to be able to look "backwards": rimward.

 

[robject]

The Vilani dictionary has these entries in it. I don't know how long they've been in there; anywhere from 8 to 15 years, I'd say.

1129 dushis du.shis n. day after tomorrow.

1130 dushis khurisi n. poem (epic cycle).

2669 khurisi khu.ri.si n. track.


At the risk of derailing the thread:

I had placed an extinct sophont group down the Great Rift, halfway to the edge of the Local Arm, who lived after the Ancients. However, I don't think they can be related to the Kursae.

 

[Lycanorukke]

1.The Dushis Khurisi would be hard to find as the they are opposite the galactic core with respect to Charted Space and would be in the "Zone of Avoidance" that current astronomers have to deal with. Could Longbow handle the ZOA?

The Trav wiki says that Longbow used the long IR to half visible spectrum, and the problems with ZoA drop off the longer the observation wavelength gets, with it being mostly transparent to radio emissions. Longbow 2 was to be radio to gamma as well as bigger. Another trick which could be used is to make use of a black hole or other grav source to 'look around' the ZoA.

The DK's location could also be inferred rather than known. If they detect scattered jump signatures at range Z, and a greater number at range Y, you could extrapolate that at Range 0 a civilization is located even if you can't see it.

And with things like the Barren Arm, it's not that it's barren, but more that there's hardly anything which shows up on scans - maybe a GRB blased the civ into atoms, maybe there is very little jump traffic, maybe civs are there but haven't got jump or other powerful signal sources, or maybe Cthulhu lies sleeping there....

 

[Frankymole]

This: http://zho.berka.com/2013/06/27/dushis-khurisi-and-other-interesting-expansions-of-the-otu/ says the Barren Worlds are mentioned in the Galaxiad Intro.

The Essaray are phonetically similar to the SRAL, although both are marked in slightly different parts of the galaxy map.