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My Ship is my Castle

Azezel

SOC-6
I'd like to share a policy I've always run IMTU.

It goes something like this:

If you own a Jump-capable starship, you can be a Baron.

It really is that simple.

Anyone who owns a starship may style themselves 'Baron', and no one can say otherwise.

A planet-bound Baron with a palace, a legion of servants and half a continent to lord it over might seem more impressive - until you remember that owning a Starship means the whole Galaxy is yours to exploit.

On her own land, a noble's word is law and her rights in the Greater Imperium are legion. She may keep a standing army, armed as she sees fit up to and including nuclear and biological weapons. She may trade freely and speak on behalf of the Imperium, she may deal as an equal with the static aristocracy.

You've got your feudal hierarchy, the Emperor, Sector Dukes, Marquesses, Counts etc.

Barons are the lowest rung of the nobility, but they owe feudal loyalty only to the Emperor - unlike, say, a Viscount, who has a whole chain of loyalty going Count, Marquess, Duke, Emperor (possibly more steps than that).


It is voluntary, one can own a ship and elect not to take up the title.

However, the option exists.

It comes with a host of benefits. The right to keep a standing army (probably just the ship's crew, but y'know...), and own atomic weapons (both rights restricted to the nobility IMTU), not to mention the social benefits (SOC increased to 11 if it should be less).

Oh, and the right to claim any land which isn't owned by someone else. Y'know, like that whole planet you just discovered...


And it comes with the attendant duties. The Baron may be called upon to fulfil his feudal duty by lending his ship, vassals, weapons and such to the Emperor for whatever reason, and he'd better keep up a proper standard of living to go with his SOC 11. He'll also be taxed as a Noble, of course.


I find it adds a lot to the game. Of course, most player ships are owned jointly by several people, so they have to argue it out amongst themselves who gets the title.
 
I've always taken the same tact: The Captain of a starship is the same as the Captain of a ship at sea. His or her word is law. Now, that has limits in that when you pull in somewhere you are subject to having your logs reviewed, etc. So, if you spaced a crew member for something you better have a damned good legal reason for the authorities if they check. However it doesn't make you nobility. It makes you a ship's Captain.
 
I don't get it.
How would a starship suddenly make you noble? Do you get a noble patent or something?
What if you lose the starship? You cease to be a Baron?
Why would the Emperor grant noble titles to basically random people?
Is their allegiance to the Empire verified when they receive a title?
Can this title be revoked if you, say, commit a capital crime?
What benefit does it lend to the Empire to have such a law?
What of knights and baronets? Aren't they the lowest rung of nobility?
 
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So... if you're Baron of a Starship, does that starship then become sovereign land? What if it's still owned by a bank? Can you give amnesty to an indigent native that somehow gains passage aboard? Are you an Imperial consulate, of a sort?
 
Back in the day - the days of true feudal society, if you had a few men following you, a castle and a scrap of land to put it on, well, that made you a nob. Couldn't nobody say different. That's the origin of the whole feudal idea. In those days, no-one had a patent of nobility, they had a castle and a passel of men with swords.

The reason the Third Imperium does this sort of thing IMTU is because there were scads and scads of rogues with ships in the final days of the Long Night. People who were vastly more powerful and influential than the early static nobility, by virtue of their (often tenuous) connections with the outside.

And once a tradition is in place, it tends to stay.

Even today, anyone with a starship is far, far more powerful than most dirtbound lower nobility. A Baron who owns half a continent is limited in wealth and power by the resources of his lands.

The resources of space traveller is limited only by their daring and luck.

The Imperium doesn't so much 'grant' them titles as accept the claims to nobility of those who wish to make such claims. The titles can be revoked by killing the individual or destroying the ship.

The Imperium benefits by having these powerful, often proactively dangerous men and women within the system, rather than on the outside, coveting power. And, as previously said, this isn't really something granted by the Imperium, but taken by the individual.


The ship itself is sovereign land, just as any other Noble's lands are. And we both know that there are millions of impoverished nobles around the galaxy whose lands are mortgaged to hell and back, but that doesn't make the bank rulers there either.
 
Back in the day - the days of true feudal society, if you had a few men following you, a castle and a scrap of land to put it on, well, that made you a nob. Couldn't nobody say different. That's the origin of the whole feudal idea. In those days, no-one had a patent of nobility, they had a castle and a passel of men with swords.

Actually, what most of them had was the opportunity to support a stronger man who in return would protect them instead of taking their castle and lands away from them and giving them to a supporter.

The reason the Third Imperium does this sort of thing IMTU is because there were scads and scads of rogues with ships in the final days of the Long Night. People who were vastly more powerful and influential than the early static nobility, by virtue of their (often tenuous) connections with the outside.

No shipowner is more powerful than the man who owns the shipyard that performs the annual maintenance on his ship. (Mind you, that could be the same man, but in that case he'd own more than the ship).

Even today, anyone with a starship is far, far more powerful than most dirtbound lower nobility. A Baron who owns half a continent is limited in wealth and power by the resources of his lands.

A baron who owns half a continent (of settled land), can buy dozens, scores or hundreds of ships.

The resources of space traveller is limited only by their daring and luck.

And the ability to come up with the money to pay for supplies and maintenance.

The ship itself is sovereign land, just as any other Noble's lands are.

Historically, noble's estates weren't sovereign land. That's why there's a difference between nobility and royalty.


Hans
 
Back in the day - the days of true feudal society, if you had a few men following you, a castle and a scrap of land to put it on, well, that made you a nob. Couldn't nobody say different. That's the origin of the whole feudal idea. In those days, no-one had a patent of nobility, they had a castle and a passel of men with swords.

Actually, that would be the days before feudalism. Feudalism arose partly as a consolidation of those independent kingdoms into fiefdoms. The whole point of feudalism is the vassal-liege structure. (More than a single relationship, that is.)

And, ditto to what Hans said about others taking it away from you.

The Imperium benefits by having these powerful, often proactively dangerous men and women within the system, rather than on the outside, coveting power.

Except that the same concept applies (in the OTU, mind you) as mentioned above: the Imperium is vastly more powerful than some poor schmuck in a 400 dTon tramp freighter. Go ahead and arm that Da Chung Wu Dahn - the Imperial cruiser that comes calling will barely notice you when they turn you to so many pieces of drifting scrap.

As to the Imperium benefiting from those adventurers being out there - maybe. If those adventurers are aligned with the best interests of the Imperium, then yes. Otherwise... well, there's always that Imperial cruiser in system.........
 
Except that the same concept applies (in the OTU, mind you) as mentioned above: the Imperium is vastly more powerful than some poor schmuck in a 400 dTon tramp freighter.

Well, this is the IMTU forum, so how powerful the Imperium is doesn't really enter into it. However, I believe that a) any world in any Traveller universe with adequate tech level and a decent population will be more powerful than someone in a small starship, and b) anyone who owns a starship needs a world with adequate tech level and a decent population where he can have it serviced.


Hans
 
Well, its voluntary and comes with obligations... certainly could see such as a way of encouraging an interstellar economy.

Even without arms, a ship is a potent threat all by itself against most dirtside establishments. So making starship owners nobility 'invests' them more in the whole Imperial system.

It also means the higher nobility can associate with lowlif .. er .. shipowners socially without the stigma attached to dealing with the more general public. Especially nobility who do not possess nor have authority over any armed forces and who want to trade (or partake of intrigue) on the inter-system level.

Plus, the Ref has an ingame system in place to order parties around... :devil:
 
Maybe instead of calling them a Baron and a noble there is instead a form of respect given by calling them a Starship Captain.

Why, because to Captain (control, run, own) a starship takes a certain level of power, influence and skill.

In the beginning or sometime during the lower TL's before everyone and their dog could own a starship, it was something of dream, or form of respect.

Kind of like the days of wooden ships and iron men. The book and movie glory days of pirates and the Captains that chased them down.

If commerce is regular and almost anyone can own (mortage) a starship then I would say that this is probably not as true.


Dave Chase
 
In the beginning or sometime during the lower TL's before everyone and their dog could own a starship, it was something of dream, or form of respect.

Dave Chase

Even at TL-15 only ~0.001% of people can afford to own the smallest star ship... At MCr 20+
 
Starships would form the lifeblood of an interstellar empire - and together would form quite a formidable political and economic block - granting noble title to starship owners and cementing their allegiance to 'the crown', would seem quite prudent. There might be a lot of them, but in proportion to the entire population, the numbers would be puny.

Giving them a separate and lower status would seem more an insult, and likely to make such an offering a joke in owner circles.

Baron is a good title for one who lords over his own, private, mobile domain. It also would encourage thinking in terms of an empire, rather than local nationalities (systemalities?). Sure, it may not fit well with some canonical parts of the OTU, but this is the OP's IMTU thread...
 
Giving them a separate and lower status would seem more an insult, and likely to make such an offering a joke in owner circles.

Knighthood for the smaller ship owners would be good. I wouldn't go to Barron unless it was a heavily armed 800+ ton vessel...
 
Even at TL-15 only ~0.001% of people can afford to own the smallest star ship... At MCr 20+

EDIT: Sorry, I overlooked the percentage point. Consider all figure below reduced by a factor 100.

So out of the population of one billion, that would be one million potential shipowners. Or, assuming population multipliers were 1 for all worlds, out of every 36 worlds (roughly a subsector), 12.3 million potential shipowners. True, some worlds would not have the requisite tech level, but then again, many worlds would have population multipliers greater than 1. And a lot of ships would be bigger than the smallest star ship, and a lot of them would own more than one ship (do they become counts and get to hand out baronial titles to friends and relations?). But still, we're talking millions of potential shipowners. Multiply by the number of subsectors in the Imperium in question, and your single-ship shipowners, while hardly common as muck (A lot more people won't have MCr20 to spend on a starship), still become small fish in a pond filled with bigger fish.

I think your figure is quite a bit too big. But even if we say that only one in 10 million can afford a starship, you still get hundreds of potential shipowners for each pop 9 world and thousands for each population A world.


Hans
 
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Perhaps a ship owner earns the right to be addressed as "Master".

I would use a title of "Captain-Owner" if I was to do something like this.

The main thing I disagree with is not the title, but the authority to own WMDs. In the OTU this is restricted to the Imperial Navy under the Emperor's word.

IMTU there is no longer an Empire, but very few private individuals own WMDs or are allowed to use them; there are small pocket empires with laws, and the last thing any of them want is for small ship owners to hold weapons that powerful.

This is one reason why, IMTU, the ownership and training of Shoggoths is forbidden. :D
 
Well, this is an IMTU thread. ... and the OP started with 'I'd like to share a policy I've always run IMTU. ...'

Besides, a starship owner already owns a W M D that is far harder to defend against than any bunch of 50 kg missiles - his starship and its KE. :p
 
Well, this is an IMTU thread. ... and the OP started with 'I'd like to share a policy I've always run IMTU. ...'

Besides, a starship owner already owns a W M D that is far harder to defend against than any bunch of 50 kg missiles - his starship and its KE. :p

You are correct that this is an IMTU thread. However, I still think it's a good idea to keep WMDs limited. And yes, I know that a starship is a dangerous weapon all by itself. But can you picture a neighborhood argument that escalates to nukes?
 
Actually you are thinking too noble like ;)

If the ship has a cargo bay, just grab some large rocks and drop them from space.

Dave Chase
 
...However, I still think it's a good idea to keep WMDs limited. ...
Sure. And missiles can easily be transported and sold to the dirt lovers... but that isn't legal either way.

In the OPs context, accepting Baron-hood and all its obligations is a way to be authorized in the OP's TU - and 'The Baron may be called upon to fulfil his feudal duty by lending his ship, vassals, weapons and such to the Emperor for whatever reason'. So, having these ships armed with such might be largely for the benefit of the Emperor - for curtailing insurgents, uprisings and pirates and such.
 
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