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Low Tech vs Interstellar societies...

In some areas of rocketry - the allies were at least as advanced when it came to battlefield and airborne rockets. As for the Norden bombsight - it wasn't actually all that.
Tell that to the pickle barrels! ;) [OK, so the Norden only worked under perfect conditions].

On a more serious note, it set the stage for a lot of the Mercury Flight Control technology that made the difference between the Mercury Landing and the Russian bailing out reentry procedures. If Germany had the electromechanical skill for guidance, the V-2 would have been more accurate at hitting targets.

However, I agree about some of Germany’s “superiority” being an exaggeration. Russia had better Rocket theory and Robert Goddard (US) had better combustion flow design. However, Germany mass produced rockets at a price point and production rate that we still have not reached in any other rocket by any other nation … so that ain’t nothing.
 
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Has anyone considered the Amish and Mennonites in this discussion? They have made conscious decisions over what technology they will accept and what they will not. Personally, I have the greatest respect for them.
 
Actually, I have a planet of Amish in my Piper-Norton sector out near the Galactic Rim, that is protected by Space Vikings who like to eat good food, and have a planet to rest on, with restrictions.
 
I posted this elsewhere, but thought that it would fit here.

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Take the planet Vinland, in the Sword Sub-sector. It is an Agricultural planet, with a population in the hundreds of thousands and a Tech Level of 3. The planet has been settled by a mixture of Amish and Old and New Order Mennonites. Whlle the Amish and Old Order Mennonites limit their use of technology, the New Order Mennonites do make use of steam power, and all will use modern communications equipment, i.e. cell phones and walkie-talkies for emergencies. Being pacifistic, preserving life has a high priority for them. However, the planet is under the protection of the Space Vikings, and woe to be anyone who thinks that the planet population are push-overs. While they use black powder, which they can readily make on their own, their weapons do use metallic cartridges and repeaters are plentiful. Some heavier weapons are around as well, along with some armored road engines.

There is a canning planet using metal cans, along with a large number of small canning operations using Mason jars. They also make quite a lot of cheese, and smoked and salted meat products. The quality of their products is extremely high, and a brisk trade is carried on with the surrounding worlds. Their primary import needs are for metal sheeting and tin for the cannery, along with Mason jars, although many jars are recycled from the trading planets. Side Note: In Door County, Wisonsin, there are a couple of family-run farmers markets that produce an incredible amount of very high quality canned goods in Mason Jars, to the tune of several tens of tons of goods. I view the same type of operation on Vinland by your more outlying farm groups.

A couple of side notes on Vinland. One, the planetary government has retained the services of a number of Space Viking mercenaries to assist in planetary defense. On occasion, a citizen of the planet will join the policing group, while at the same time members of the policing group become planetary citizens. While strongly against using violence, if their wifes or children are threatened, the planet's population will take action, and plenty of black powder weapons are available. There is also the Space Viking force which is not at all interested in having their planetary paradise shot up. The Space Port is rated at "C". The Tech Level there is a tad higher than the rest of the planet. A satellite communication system is in use, along with space-based detection units.

Second, there is a small group of Old Order Mennonite faith healers that have demonstrated incredible abilities to heal subjects without using standard medication or medical techniques. Attempts by outside groups to kidnap one of these have been uniformly unsuccessful, either as a result of violent action being taken by the planetary populace, or by other, as yet, unexplained disasters visited on the kidnapping party. You have been warned.

The following is a really basic write-up that I did based on the SectorMaker data that produced the planet. I did make some changes, all right, more than some, and I am debating keeping the A Primary. That may change.
 
Really having trouble coming up with a reason why any planetary government worth more than 50¢ wouldn't import the machines, tools, and technology necessary to raise their tech level as quickly as possible. After a 100 years, I cannot find a single reason why any Imperium world would have a tech level below 10. Simply the economic advantages for the colonies and the survivability alone would make it all but mandatory -- wouldn't it?
Why don't the African nations do so? Why don't some of the polynesian cultures do so?

Simply put, it's not just the cost of the items, but the infrastructure they need, and the costs relative to local costs.
Additionally, people need to be able to learn and use the new tech, and that may be too large a leap.

Hell, there are essentially uncontacted stone age cultures in both the Indian Ocean and South America, and many places in South America where the tech is basically 1950's local, with only the very wealthy using modern tech.
 
Tell that to the pickle barrels! ;) [OK, so the Norden only worked under perfect conditions].

On a more serious note, it set the stage for a lot of the Mercury Flight Control technology that made the difference between the Mercury Landing and the Russian bailing out reentry procedures. If Germany had the electromechanical skill for guidance, the V-2 would have been more accurate at hitting targets.

However, I agree about some of Germany’s “superiority” being an exaggeration. Russia had better Rocket theory and Robert Goddard (US) had better combustion flow design. However, Germany mass produced rockets at a price point and production rate that we still have not reached in any other rocket by any other nation … so that ain’t nothing.
Slave labor makes mass production so much cheaper.
 
Introduces quality control issues.

If not, outright sabotage.
The products of the slave camps were adequate to task; better and more could have been made by better motivated labor, but in warfare, as in so much else, pursuit of perfection is the enemy of Good Enough. It was a way to make certain key elements good enough for pfennig on the reichsmark. (Tho' not as deep a discount as one might think, due to the costs of guards and technical supervision.

Don't get me wrong; I find the idea of slave labor repulsive, but my undergrad was grated in history, focused upon Russian history, but with plenty of looking at the Third Reich. Both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany employed prisoner labor. Many US states employed prisoner labor; some still do. I think it all is immoral and unethical... but it's historically been "good enough."
 
Why don't the African nations do so? Why don't some of the polynesian cultures do so?
I saw a pretty good video on a pain point with Africa in terms of trade.

Two things.

One, the Congo River is not navigable to the sea. Apparently there's a large drop off towards the end that bedded with large rocks, and I guess it's not usable as is, and also not worth digging out to make it useful to freighter traffic.

Two, the western coast was not carved out by glaciers, and thus are really no natural deep water bays. The ones they do have silt up often and require a lot of maintenance.

Not having the Congo available really cuts off Central Africa, so trade was never really able to take root there and uplift the local economies.

And the lack of deepwater harbors just made folks looking for markets look elsewhere.
 
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Which explains Atlantis.
 
The products of the slave camps were adequate to task; better and more could have been made by better motivated labor, but in warfare, as in so much else, pursuit of perfection is the enemy of Good Enough. It was a way to make certain key elements good enough for pfennig on the reichsmark. (Tho' not as deep a discount as one might think, due to the costs of guards and technical supervision.

Don't get me wrong; I find the idea of slave labor repulsive, but my undergrad was grated in history, focused upon Russian history, but with plenty of looking at the Third Reich. Both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany employed prisoner labor. Many US states employed prisoner labor; some still do. I think it all is immoral and unethical... but it's historically been "good enough."
Wait until the robots decide it’s slave labor…..
 
They have made conscious decisions over what technology they will accept and what they will not.
In the JG Ley Sector, TL 7 Valisa sits one jump away from three different TL B worlds and on the same x-boat/trade route as two TL C worlds. Valisa is a garden world that caters to tourists and retirees - 'the newly wed and the nearly dead' - and leans hard into lower technology, promoting 'a simpler way of life.' In Porto Valisa, the planetary capital and primary city, you can find wind-powered watercraft and livestock-drawn transport a stone's throw from its class B starport.

To the populations of its Hi In neighbors, F-class star-baked Helena and profoundly volcanic Arnitag, it's a primitive paradise.
 
I would think that Florida, for most retirees, would be a low gravity planetoid insystem.

Low technological base for low cost service industry, but exceptional high teched medical facilities.
 
Has anyone considered the Amish and Mennonites in this discussion?
I guess the big question is whether such societies scale to a level of a planetary scale (or even a nation state).

It seems to me that societies like that can only work when hosted within another society, notably for, if nothing else, a security guarantee.
 
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