Check this out! Looking for that perfect TL 5-6 vacc suit? Look no further.
Wiley Post Suit
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Wiley Post Suit
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Low tech Vacc Suits
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Jeff M. Hopper
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I had an ugly pop-up window appear when I clicked on the Wiley Post Suit. The main page link seems to be OK.Originally posted by Parmasson:
Check this out! Looking for that perfect TL 5-6 vacc suit? Look no further.
Wiley Post Suit
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I love that page - alot of stuff about secret and cancelled programs. Shows what can be done in TL6-7 if a government is REALLY bent on space exploration (unlike Earth's ones, for the most part, see the number of cancelled interesting programs). Also a VERY nice reference for Delta Green and similar conspiracy games - just imagine finding out that there WAS a Soviet lunar landing, but that it found... something... which was covered up.
Also great for creating plots in the universe of the Dark Skies TV show.
Also great for creating plots in the universe of the Dark Skies TV show.
Fritz_Brown
Super Moderator
Jeff, you don't still use Internet Explorer, do you?! I knew there was a popup, but only because Opera told me it had blocked one.
Cool suit, but I don't know how long you would really last. Most of the items were porous to some extent, and not really airtight.
I knew there was a popup, but only because Opera told me it had blocked one.Cool suit, but I don't know how long you would really last. Most of the items were porous to some extent, and not really airtight.
TL6 should be the bare minimum for spaceflight; IRL it was only early TL7, but there were some Nazi spacecraft designs during WWII IIRC, but these never went beyond the early planning stage. When Von Braun was building V2 rockets, he was also dreaming about space conquest...
Also, you could build a (relatively) big spaceship in early TL7 using the "orion" concept. Technically feasable, but expenses and political issues (especially the treaties against nuclear experiments in the atmosphere) prohibited its real-life use.
Also, you could build a (relatively) big spaceship in early TL7 using the "orion" concept. Technically feasable, but expenses and political issues (especially the treaties against nuclear experiments in the atmosphere) prohibited its real-life use.
The Hinterworlds Rambler
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There is a famous picture of Von Braun coming to America, but he has a broken arm. Does anyone know offhand how that happened?
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
A car crash a couple of months earlier.
Jeff M. Hopper
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Yes, I'm a software luddite and I use IE...Originally posted by Fritz88:
Jeff, you don't still use Internet Explorer, do you?!
Liam Devlin
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Good illustration of low tech Vac suit, Parmasson!
Fits description of TL-5 at this link.
http://www.travellerrpg.com/cgi-bin/Trav/CotI/Discuss/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000231;p=1
And no, ye wouldn't want to be in it very long. especially to possible radiation exposure!
Fits description of TL-5 at this link.
http://www.travellerrpg.com/cgi-bin/Trav/CotI/Discuss/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000231;p=1
And no, ye wouldn't want to be in it very long. especially to possible radiation exposure!
Fritz_Brown
Super Moderator
Radiation? Just line it with lead! It actually might make it a little less porous, too.
Liam Devlin
SOC-14 5K
Oh, and at TL-5, like the early X-ray vests Doctors wore? Adds to weight, and increases difficulty of work in suit..but when ya gotta use what you have, you press on.. besides..then we can figure weightlessness, or low gravity counteracts some of this encumberance..
Liam Devlin
SOC-14 5K
LOL...You got it, Parmasson! 
:rofl:
:rofl:I'd like to contest the idea of a minimum TL on space flight.
Realistically, the Victorians had the materials technology to produce a spacefaring vessel. Of course, this is like saying that the Roman Empire had the technology to produce a railroad.
In FFS and Hard Times, the Resistojet Rocket can be produced at TL4. The Wiley Post Vacc Suit (or a rather more primative version) could be produced at TL 4 as well. It would be more of a heavily modified diving suit that had been adapted to vacc suit use. By modified, I"m referring to the addition of articulated metal bands, similar to a Lorica Segmentata or Visby coat to keep the occupant under pressure.
The resistojet rocket is essentially a big steam cannon designed to hurl a projectile on a ballisic or semi-ballistic trajectory. It could be extrapolated to hurl its payload into an orbital path. At TL4, the technology to produce compressed gasses exixts, so now our voyagers can change their orbital position and even return to their homeworld. Or, with sufficient gasses, they can move to a higher orbit. Also at TL4, the gyroscope and sextant exist, so now our astronauts can stabilize the vessel and plot a course.
Radiation and other forms of life support may still be an issue, but the essentials of a crude form of spacefllight exist. So I"m thinking that the minimum TL for spaceflight might be mid-Tl 4; somewhere around the beginning of WW 1 or even a little earlier, say the 1880s.
Just my thoughts.
Realistically, the Victorians had the materials technology to produce a spacefaring vessel. Of course, this is like saying that the Roman Empire had the technology to produce a railroad.
In FFS and Hard Times, the Resistojet Rocket can be produced at TL4. The Wiley Post Vacc Suit (or a rather more primative version) could be produced at TL 4 as well. It would be more of a heavily modified diving suit that had been adapted to vacc suit use. By modified, I"m referring to the addition of articulated metal bands, similar to a Lorica Segmentata or Visby coat to keep the occupant under pressure.
The resistojet rocket is essentially a big steam cannon designed to hurl a projectile on a ballisic or semi-ballistic trajectory. It could be extrapolated to hurl its payload into an orbital path. At TL4, the technology to produce compressed gasses exixts, so now our voyagers can change their orbital position and even return to their homeworld. Or, with sufficient gasses, they can move to a higher orbit. Also at TL4, the gyroscope and sextant exist, so now our astronauts can stabilize the vessel and plot a course.
Radiation and other forms of life support may still be an issue, but the essentials of a crude form of spacefllight exist. So I"m thinking that the minimum TL for spaceflight might be mid-Tl 4; somewhere around the beginning of WW 1 or even a little earlier, say the 1880s.
Just my thoughts.
clair_rand
SOC-9
not 1889
actually i love the low tech approach to space flight, problems solving becomes less of 'press the button' and more head scratching, of course you get all new problems as well...
but probably fewer 'blue screen of deaths' thanks to mr Babbages steam difference engines...
actually that could be worth a think, the hard bit at low tech is making orbit, once ya there its a bit easier.
actually i love the low tech approach to space flight, problems solving becomes less of 'press the button' and more head scratching, of course you get all new problems as well...
but probably fewer 'blue screen of deaths' thanks to mr Babbages steam difference engines...
actually that could be worth a think, the hard bit at low tech is making orbit, once ya there its a bit easier.
clair_rand
SOC-9
not 1889
actually i love the low tech approach to space flight, problems solving becomes less of 'press the button' and more head scratching, of course you get all new problems as well...
but probably fewer 'blue screen of deaths' thanks to mr Babbages steam difference engines...
actually that could be worth a think, the hard bit at low tech is making orbit, once ya there its a bit easier.
actually i love the low tech approach to space flight, problems solving becomes less of 'press the button' and more head scratching, of course you get all new problems as well...
but probably fewer 'blue screen of deaths' thanks to mr Babbages steam difference engines...
actually that could be worth a think, the hard bit at low tech is making orbit, once ya there its a bit easier.
Fritz_Brown
Super Moderator
Yes, Jules Verne and his wonderful ideas! A cannon shot to the moon, etc. The only real problem is getting the amount of thrust needed to achieve orbit w/out turning your occupants to jelly. Especially if you throw a Babbage engine on board to do your orbital calculations - definitely heavier than vacuum tubes. 
And, oh yes, a Scout mission coming across this on some hinterworld....
And, oh yes, a Scout mission coming across this on some hinterworld....
