Long Term Subsistence

[far-trader]

...So there it is. Obliviously, I went with Baron and two Knighthoods, just wondering if that is correct.

It would be if my call

I would have said your Position success (not automatic) as a Noble confirms you (in this case) as a Service Knight (the bit about Rank = Soc once Position is made) so adding a Knighthood seems the way to go. You have the hereditary one and the appointed Service one earned for the Position roll.

And the Soc +1 in the Navy would have bumped you to a Service Baron (as opposed to a hereditary position) title.

The difference being Service Noble titles do not endure beyond the holder's life. They are not inherited.

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Soooo..

They get by (or don't) on what they can cadge out of other (usually lower) Nobles and Imperial assets. Free fuel and upkeep of their Yacht at Imperial Bases (like Detached Duty Scouts) for example, when it fits in with the base command.

So, this means an Imperial Agent if I can convince the Ref, then I can Expense fuel and sundries?

Oh, I also add 1 term to retirement benefits per "rank" of Nobility to represent a small honourarium bestowed by The Emperor. So a Knight would be +1 terms, and a Baron would be +2 terms, and so on, on the retirement benefits table. Even if not a full 5 Term Service character you'd get the benefits for your Noble rank.

As I understand FT, IYTU (and I might steal this for MTU), a Three Term Noble, with a Position (Service Knighthood), I get standard Five Term Pension plus a +3 Bump on the Table for a Grand Total of CrImp 10000.

As for the Knighthood, cool, I figured the KOSM was the Famili Knighthood and Gadrin hasn't said what HIM has Granted me as the Service Knighthood, and of course they little bastards...I mean my most beloved children can bloody well Earn their own Titles too, Famili Tradition all the way from both Terra and Vland, and well a couple other places, but they don't count for this.

 

[far-trader]

So, this means an Imperial Agent if I can convince the Ref, then I can Expense fuel and sundries?

Yep, with the caveat that you might be tagged for missions :devil:

As I understand FT, IYTU (and I might steal this for MTU), a Three Term Noble, with a Position (Service Knighthood), I get standard Five Term Pension plus a +3 Bump on the Table for a Grand Total of CrImp 10000.

Not quite, I think partly I failed to mention it was not cumulative (though... yeah I like it. Time to change the mtu rule )

EDIT: Wait a sec, you're not doing it cumulative though are you? I'm not sure what you're doing above actually. Oh well, it's too late, the new edict has already gone out

And I didn't explain the rest of it too well either and now with the cumulative idea, and to simplify since I'm changing it anyway, let's run that whole thing through the word grinder

IMTU:

When calculating terms for retirement add a cumulative number of terms for each step of Noble title. For Soc B add 1; for Soc C add 3 (1 + 2); for Soc D add 6 (1 + 2 + 3); and so on.

So Enerii goes 4 terms in the IN and comes out Soc A he would get no retirement payment as his total terms are 4 and a minimum 5 is required. But if in mustering out he was awarded Soc C then his effective terms would be 4 + 3 for 7 terms. So he would get Cr8,000 annually for his service and status.

How's that sound?

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Take 3, Show Me the Money, places, camera, sound, *clap*

Holy Crap!

This is the Third Time I am trying to post a Response......here goes nothing.

As for the Caveat, FT, of course that called in RefLang as a Self Deploying Plot Hook. :devil:

As for the Formula Magnus gets the CrImp 10000/anno, like I calced it.

That is the way I originally used the Formula, so we were on the same wave.

However, IMTU, and of course yours as well, if you wish, since I thought that the point of CotI was to build some kinda Meta-TU, is to Structure the Pensions to a Monthly or Bi-Monthly or less, depending on PC Actions in Support of the Imperium. (I.e.: Are the PC pulling their weight by the Imperial Standards...running missions, etc.)

Sorry, Icosahedron, I didn't mean to Hijack your Thread, but I really have always been wondering about these things, but as I am the only serious Traveller Geek in my group, the games generally don't last long enough to get into such things. Guess, you got to be some sort of Detail Freak, to geek out on such thing, which I do. *shrugs* Guilty as Charged, and I throw myself upon the Mercy of the Court.

Still I can add that to My Thread Necromancer Title, The Thread Hijacker...'Don't Let Him Post i-*thump* Ummghuumm, If the The Thread Hijacker Tries to Post in Your Thread, you should Invite Him in for milk and cookies'.

 

[Icosahedron]

No worries Magnus, it still looks on-topic to me.
I don't see CotI as constructing a meta TU (I don't even think an OTU exists really, there are too many different interpretations) it's just for sharing ideas to improve everyone's individual TU.

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Coolio!!!

Cool, since I do geek out to this. And I am trying to behave myself....well, sorta.

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Behold the Power of the AAB and Research!

I believe, I have found an answer to our Noble Questions, well, I dig it so far.

Am wondering though, as a starting Soc B with one Position in Noble Service and one +1 Soc through my *uhmmm* Naval Service, that would have bumped me to final Soc D, if I had taken Noble Rank Additions. I did however, chose to have a Service Knighthood and Barony. Can I get roll as a Soc D?

And here it is:

Imperial Noblity

Check it out, am looking into the other Noble stuff on the page.

 

[Icosahedron]

Some good stuff there, I'll have to peruse and purloin.

 

[Eamon]

IMTU I have reworked the nobility system. Except for the top 2 Imperial Ranks.
There no hereditary titles.
The rank you have depends on how much you spend in Basic Social Tax.
The BST is a fund similar to social security except the benefits can used at any time.
The BST provides food, shelter, medical care to all citizens.
Depending on what you pay (or don't pay) the ranks go from serf to Baron.
Baron would cost you $12 million a year.
So I have no poor nobles and few people resent them because the money spent benefits everybody. Ranks higher than Baron have similar payments but additional requiments.

 

[Fritz_Brown]

So, your nobles very definitely buy their patents, eh? I would thiink you would need lots and lots of nobles at that price range, though. Lots and lots.... Even for just one world. o:

 

[Eamon]

Everybody that has the money pays into the Basic Social Fund. There is a monthly rate with a multipler for various ranks. So a Yoeman would pay 4 x the BST. A Esquire 8x the BST and so on. The Higher the multipler the greater the rank. But unlike Social Security and most pension funds, the Basic Social Fund has been fully funded for centuries. With secured investments and it being illegal for the government to borrow from it. An Independent Board of Directors manages the Fund and makes payements from the dividends. So what collected today is returned to the fund and not spent. It is voluntary how much of a multipler you want to use. If there were no nobles the fund would still work.

In games the PCs would pay whatever they the GM/PC don't have to keep detail records.
Then they always food, medical care, a place to stay.

I got the idea from the Florida lottery. Here there a large population whose grandkids don't even use the schools anymore. So whenever there an education tax, it is usually voted down. Hence the lottery. which is a voluntary tax. I have seen people spend $500/yr how would not vote a $5/yr tax.