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Lasers, do they cause steam explosions?

One of my players tried to get a laser rifle "tuned to the harmonic freequency of water". He explained that the laser beam would cause a live steam explosion inside his target and "blow them into bloody chunks".

He's tried to get low end reflect protection by claiming the color of his clothes matched the beam color of the soldier shooting at him. Unfortunately, I remembered reading that in Larry Niven's first ringworld novel and said no in a polite, but firm manner.

I figured that all you guys would have an answer for this conundrum.

Thanks for the help
 
You can generally assume that equipment in a game is at least intended to be well designed. That means that most obvious ways to enhance their effectiveness have already been thought of and either don't work or are already in use.
 
Originally posted by selunatic2397:
One of my players tried to get a laser rifle "tuned to the harmonic freequency of water". He explained that the laser beam would cause a live steam explosion inside his target and "blow them into bloody chunks".

He's tried to get low end reflect protection by claiming the color of his clothes matched the beam color of the soldier shooting at him. Unfortunately, I remembered reading that in Larry Niven's first ringworld novel and said no in a polite, but firm manner.

I figured that all you guys would have an answer for this conundrum.

Thanks for the help
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Whew, either your player is low on his science or trying to pull a fast one on you. Or maybe it's proof of the old addage a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

First:
The "harmonic frequency of water" that causes heating is in the microwave region (it's how your microwave works). So he's really asking for a maser. Give him one as there are many reasons real world laser weapon development did not follow the maser, even though the maser was developed/invented before the laser.

Here's a couple, (1) normal air holds a lot of water vapor even when the relative humidty is 10% that is still a lot of water, the weapon will likely be useless in the rain and next to useless in fog; (2) metal reflects microwaves quite well (that arcing from a twisty tie is the reflection as the electrons arc across the tie). So in short, the weapon will have a shorter range than a normal laser and in addition to reflec, mesh and maybe even jack will be a defense.

On his damage mechanism, normal lasers do this (heat water to steam) and much more. So the short answer is the damage from this weapon is less than a normal laser. Further, unless the laser beam envelopes the target, there is no way he is going to "explode in chunks." The locally produced steam in the wound will escape through the wound entrancee and exit. In short the maser weapon might boil the target, but a normal laser boils and burns. If you need more science to educate your player on energy transfer let me know. ;)

Second:
The first I can understand, the second is just ludicrous. Yes one of the two ways a thing appears a certain color is that it refelcts light, but it hardly reflects a large fraction of that light, if it did it would be a mirror. Yet even mirrors are not perfect, a fraction (and you might be surprised how much) is absorbed. With a laser all it takes is that that fraction is a large absolute amount. Trust me, from working with non-weapon lasers it doesn't take much. That extra energy quickly degrades the ability to reflect (be it mirror or shirt), which means more energy is absorbed, which means it degrades more, etc. It's a runaway effect that can take only a microsecond. Given this I've always questioned reflec itself, now ablat that makes sense. If reflec exists, it is going to be some very special material and may even have a heat sink like structure built in. Doesn't sound like the average shirt IMTU. ;)
 
It depends on how you describe a laser based wound.

If your lasers are a "beam" based attack, the laser projects an intense cutting edge. Wounds are "slices" through flesh, midly cauterised (though an artery hit will still bleed profusely) and relatively free of explosive type damage from steam or other heated material. This seems to be the type most commonly used in Sci-Fi.

I use a "pulse" type attack (more energy over a shorter period of time) there isn't time to cut in any direction, all the energy is focused on a small point. This produces "hourglass" wounds, the beam instantly penetrates through the target, the material in the channel cut is highly heated and leaves extremely quickly, exiting mainly along the channel cut and taking extra material along the way, thus producing a wound that is similar to two cones, one entry, one exit. The flesh isn't cauterised, though often is slightly cooked arround the wound from residual hot material that hasn't escaped.

I'm pretty sure that traveller lasers are closer to the second type of wound, but it is a game, and anyone is free to use what they like in this regard.
 
I've never been hit with a weapon grade laser beam but have been damaged by lasers (argon ion and excimer)in two ways. One was by the excimer and it took a neat little pock out of my forearm. It certainly wasn't cauterized but was very symetric (we worked hard for good beam profile ;) ). More like a very round biting fly wound. The other was a "sunburn" I received from scattered UV radiation when tuning an argon ion laser over an extended period of time. Luckily, I had eye protection so I didn't burn my eyes (which would have happened).

With respect to inanimate objects, many things will smoulder/burn whether the laser is pulsed or continuous wave (cw). It probably has more to do with water content and ignition temperature. Wounds in paper definitively have cauterized edges whether pulsed or cw. White t-shirts also smolder (sadly) and don't serve as good laser armor, even though they reflect the visible colors, and a few UV ones as well given the right detergent.
 
Had an acquaintance making low-end weaponized lasers at home. They do leave a nice neat bleeding hole in squirrels.They do leave a shock pattern inside said squirrel from steam pressure; less than a .22, but definitely there.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
Had an acquaintance making low-end weaponized lasers at home. They do leave a nice neat bleeding hole in squirrels.They do leave a shock pattern inside said squirrel from steam pressure; less than a .22, but definitely there.
Your friend caught squirrels and then lasered them?
 
RoS: You misread on several points.

Acquaintance, NOT friend.

Lasered in the "wild", not captured. Namely, in his back yard. He usually ate the resulting dead squirrels. Shoot them first, then go get them. (He lived downstairs from a friend I gamed with... was always worried he'd burn down the apartment while I was over there.)

His laser was able to, on 115 VAC household input, pulse through a cinder block in under a second. Sustained fire rate was about 5s per minute, due to heating. Hunting squirrels was his dinner. Effective range in low double digit meters.
 
Except when some idiot in Texas interperets a design requirement of "-70 degrees C" to be "MilSpec" (rated to -40 degrees C) and can't understand why their drillstems keep snapping in the high arctic... and when it is explained to them their indignant response is "It doesn't get that cold anywhere on the planet!"

(RRRRR -Chuk- *Tink*)

Scott Martin
 
On tissue? Depends on wavelength... a meltagun from Warhammer40k I suppose is a type of laser weapon, a Microwave Laser, that could feasibly cook targets up. To steam? depends on how grisly the GM is. IMTU, Some high powered lasers just cut stuff (matter) into pieces. One crewwoman was already bisected at the waist by an autoamted laser sentry.

Doesn't most of the damage of visible lasers come from direct heat to tissue? Steam explosions would be unlikely.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:

Lasered in the "wild", not captured. Namely, in his back yard. He usually ate the resulting dead squirrels. Shoot them first, then go get them. (He lived downstairs from a friend I gamed with... was always worried he'd burn down the apartment while I was over there.)

His laser was able to, on 115 VAC household input, pulse through a cinder block in under a second. Sustained fire rate was about 5s per minute, due to heating. Hunting squirrels was his dinner. Effective range in low double digit meters.
This brings entirely new meaning to William Gibson's expression that cyberpunk is "High-Tech, Low-Life".

I can see this becomming a fad in Hollywood. The laser-killed squirrel diet.
 
Originally posted by Jeff M. Hopper:
This brings entirely new meaning to William Gibson's expression that cyberpunk is "High-Tech, Low-Life".

I can see this becomming a fad in Hollywood. The laser-killed squirrel diet.
Paris Hilton out in the woods, lasering down squirrels and then gutting, cooking, and eating them?

Somehow, I don't think so.

Now, Ozzy, maybe . . .
 
Come to think of it, he wasn't terribly well padded... he and Paris are of similar build...
 
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jeff M. Hopper:
This brings entirely new meaning to William Gibson's expression that cyberpunk is "High-Tech, Low-Life".

I can see this becomming a fad in Hollywood. The laser-killed squirrel diet.
Paris Hilton out in the woods, lasering down squirrels and then gutting, cooking, and eating them?

Somehow, I don't think so.
</font>[/QUOTE]No, maybe not Paris Hilton herself (unless it was part of a Reality TV show), but I can see a group of adventurers being hired by Paris Hilton's Head Chef to laser-kill some squirrels for her and then use their Free Trader or Air/Raft to transport the food to her wherever on the planet she is dining.

I'd have a lot of fun with that scenario, but my players would kill me.
 
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