They're not the sophont Tyrannosaurs, are they? I think I vaguely recall who they are...are they the race that the K'Kree wiped out, but upon whomt the K'Kree deny committing genocide.
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Do you mean the Droashaav from MTJ#4 "The Lords of Thunder"? Also known as the original G'naak of Kirur's moon of ancient K'kree legend? :devil: Go MLPoD! (sorry, love that.).
Just woke up. I see what you mean. More than the Solomani Rim?
| Rank | Worlds | Population (Billions) | Avg Per World | Sector |
| 1 | 317 | 2,067.55 | 6.52 | Ingukrax |
| 2 | 400 | 1,659.60 | 4.15 | Solomani Rim |
| 3 | 451 | 1,678.95 | 3.72 | Ilelish |
| 4 | 426 | 1,501.85 | 3.53 | Old Expanses |
| 5 | 151 | 510.70 | 3.38 | Star's End |
| 6 | 532 | 1,602.14 | 3.01 | Vland |
| 7 | 546 | 1,629.91 | 2.99 | Core |
| 8 | 373 | 1,057.58 | 2.84 | Ustral Quadrant |
| 9 | 108 | 300.28 | 2.78 | Riftspan Reaches |
| 10 | 392 | 1,000.67 | 2.55 | Canopus |
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Yup. If it was just along the spinward edge of the sector within the Julian Protectorate I might understand the development pattern. Instead that loose cluster right in the middle and the cluster to trailing, beholden to no one but sitting between the touchy Julians and the *really* touchy K'kree, is loaded with High Pops to the tune of a trillion people in three subsectors, most of them carnivorous. No Man's Land opportunism seems a bit of a stretch.
Gh!hken and Gn'hk'r, and specifically the worlds listed as part of the Two Thousand Worlds.
The Hhkar are the pint-size allosaurs in Julian space. The ones the K'kree exterminated from their moon are known for certain only as the G'naak, though MTJ4 certainly opens up that story a bit.
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I have the data for both of those. I guess it's time to crack the whip on myself and pump it out.
Thanks!
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
GypsyComet
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No whips required. Just dice.
I pinged Jeff. He's interested in assisting but has very little time and can't easily visit the forum. If folks want to batch up questions I can relay them via email.
For any regular readers of my blog (I've deleted most of the personal drama) I've gotten into the habit of writing adventure seeds, as per my TAS series of news feeds a couple years back.
To that end, my only request (not really a question) would be to do some K'Kree space and some of the client state sectors in border regions.
And hats off to the guys who did the Vargr Extents based on the V&V book. I wrote a campaign that went into Vargr space, and had to use a magnifying glass and some judgment calls to get the systems right.
I've often wondered if there might be a file for the map that was used in that publication that everyone could access and look at.
Was the other DGP Alien module the Aslan book?
To that end, my only request (not really a question) would be to do some K'Kree space and some of the client state sectors in border regions.
And hats off to the guys who did the Vargr Extents based on the V&V book. I wrote a campaign that went into Vargr space, and had to use a magnifying glass and some judgment calls to get the systems right.
I've often wondered if there might be a file for the map that was used in that publication that everyone could access and look at.
Was the other DGP Alien module the Aslan book?
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Solomani & Aslan. It had a Droyne and Zho on the cover, so they would have been next, but that book never happened. The revisit of the K'kree was in MTJ4 in the article cluster for the Lords of Thunder.
Jeff agrees there should be a pop boost in Amdukan and drop in the periphery.
Amdukan is "In Review". What does that mean? Corrections only or can UWP still be altered because it "feels right"? /Who determines/how is it determined/ it is beyond "In Review".
Are the sectors in part are cleaned up to conform in their relationships to the approved Third Imperium Sectors? If so, in a conflict the approved sectors are right more often and the new sectors must conform? Is this correct?
This would determine how to approach the Julian Protectorate and Ingukrax Sector. If Amdukan cannot be altered "to make it feel right" for example then all the changes would have to occur to Ingukrax.
Are the sectors in part are cleaned up to conform in their relationships to the approved Third Imperium Sectors? If so, in a conflict the approved sectors are right more often and the new sectors must conform? Is this correct?
This would determine how to approach the Julian Protectorate and Ingukrax Sector. If Amdukan cannot be altered "to make it feel right" for example then all the changes would have to occur to Ingukrax.
"In Review" means the T5SS has done a first pass but is looking for feedback: are there mistakes? Does it contradict any canon? Does it fit the setting?
I think this qualifies. In the past this would have gone to DonM to review with MWM but the process needs to be rebooted. So noting it here for now. (I will only correct egregious errors in T5SS data myself on TM since reconciling against the master database becomes hard.)
Even "Official" data is not immune to corrections, but the bar is higher.
I think this qualifies. In the past this would have gone to DonM to review with MWM but the process needs to be rebooted. So noting it here for now. (I will only correct egregious errors in T5SS data myself on TM since reconciling against the master database becomes hard.)
Even "Official" data is not immune to corrections, but the bar is higher.
Just an FYI, I pumped out an adventure seed anyway, but used existing K'Kree space data.
The real adventure I may write in the next few months regards something similar to what I wrote, except it's going to be a ... (I really hate this lap top) ... group of players who need to hijack a K'Kree vessel and high tail it back to Imperial space, or at least out of K'Kree and K'Kree influenced space.
The only problem with it is that K'Kree space is big, and I'll probably have to limit that kind of jump capable vessel the players can get their hands on. Needless to say it should prove interesting when players have to "rough it" in the artificial plains environment on board said vessel by pitching a tent in the "hold". But I guess that's probably been done many many times since the K'Kree module was published.
Might there be some special code for the map key to show that K'Kree are in the midst of "de-carnivoriation" or certain worlds?
The real adventure I may write in the next few months regards something similar to what I wrote, except it's going to be a ... (I really hate this lap top) ... group of players who need to hijack a K'Kree vessel and high tail it back to Imperial space, or at least out of K'Kree and K'Kree influenced space.
The only problem with it is that K'Kree space is big, and I'll probably have to limit that kind of jump capable vessel the players can get their hands on. Needless to say it should prove interesting when players have to "rough it" in the artificial plains environment on board said vessel by pitching a tent in the "hold". But I guess that's probably been done many many times since the K'Kree module was published.
Might there be some special code for the map key to show that K'Kree are in the midst of "de-carnivoriation" or certain worlds?
I just did a decimation pass over Ingukrax and Star's End - reduced pop exponents (A->9) or multipliers (to 1 or 2). Didn't put much thought into it, just wanted the densities down a bit to match nearby sectors. Could probably go farther, but it's a start.
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Odds are good that all worlds within the borders of the Two Thousand Worlds underwent that process 2000+ years ago. I don't see the K'kree as being particularly patient about that step within their own space.
The current population of Amdukan Sector is at 465.44 Billion. To get the population of Ingukrux Sector to around the same level would require reducing overall population of the Ingukrax by around 78% more like 80% if you want it to be less. I started by computing the actual population of the population 9 and A Worlds, reduced by 80% to a minimum of 1 Billion, then recomputing the Population Digit and Multiplier from there.
The advantage in doing it this way:
* T5 Importance would not change when determined pre or post change (The Hi Trade Code remains intact, no other factors have changed).
* The majority of worlds do not change the Population Digit so many economic factors on them do not change. In my run only 17 of the original 58 Hi worlds dropped from A to 9.
* Most Trade Codes remain unchanged - only some world might gain Pre-Rich. Of the 17 worlds only 8 worlds had the atmosphere to become Pr (Aerafa, Kunzikikunuza, Mun, Kongrougzog, Postytos, Dioco, Kotsfa, Kesittanma)
The advantage in doing it this way:
* T5 Importance would not change when determined pre or post change (The Hi Trade Code remains intact, no other factors have changed).
* The majority of worlds do not change the Population Digit so many economic factors on them do not change. In my run only 17 of the original 58 Hi worlds dropped from A to 9.
* Most Trade Codes remain unchanged - only some world might gain Pre-Rich. Of the 17 worlds only 8 worlds had the atmosphere to become Pr (Aerafa, Kunzikikunuza, Mun, Kongrougzog, Postytos, Dioco, Kotsfa, Kesittanma)
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Agreed on this. They would not be patient. There might be a very few at the very edges of the 2KW, but not within. Maybe more when the Gods of Thunder have their go in the New New Era. (Go MLPoD!:devil
Blue Ghost, it should be easy enough to determine everyone else if a world has "de-carnivorized" or not.
In the travellermap.com listing (I think it would appear as such)
A.If your species survived "de-carnivoriation"
* you will have a (minor race) or (minor-race)n designation
* possibly standard government and law codes. K'kree majority worlds would have 0 for Government (AM2, p.27) and would not have "significant population" of minor race. Probably.
B.If your species did not survive "de-carnivoriation"
* you will have a (minor race) designation
* Di (Dieback) Remark code as your species was not allowed to live
This appears to be the format travellermap.com has used already for extinct species within the Third Imperium
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The question of mystery and secret comes up in K'kree space. The K'kree may well nuke and pave. Assuming an outsider archeologist ever visits the world, there aren't even ruins to look at or provide a clue to look closer.
True.
How the UWP should appear is my opinion. I have always viewed that UWP published are meta-outside of game "these ARE the facts" information for players and ref alike. Ever since T4 showed me the way...
There simply has not been too much written about the K'kree space which is why there is mystery. I like their racial psychology is as presented in GT:AM2, with the minor change that they are willing to let others convert (with K'kree as top herbivore, of course).
How the UWP should appear is my opinion. I have always viewed that UWP published are meta-outside of game "these ARE the facts" information for players and ref alike. Ever since T4 showed me the way...
There simply has not been too much written about the K'kree space which is why there is mystery. I like their racial psychology is as presented in GT:AM2, with the minor change that they are willing to let others convert (with K'kree as top herbivore, of course).
