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JTAS, Forum Readership

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I'm curious about online readership at various Traveller sites.

Newsletter-wise, I'm aware of JTAS and Stellar Reaches. Are there others? How popular are those two? Anyone know the current ballpark readership of JTAS? Or its numbers relative to, say, this forum?

There appear to be half-a-dozen or so Traveller-related forums. This one seems to be the most heavily trafficked (and learned, of course). Which others come close? Which ones cover a broad range and which have a narrower focus?

Steve
 
There appear to be half-a-dozen or so Traveller-related forums. This one seems to be the most heavily trafficked (and learned, of course). Which others come close? Which ones cover a broad range and which have a narrower focus?

Mongoose Traveller seems to be a busy site, as does QLI's Traveller forum and of course SJGames' JTAS. There's also a few Yahoo! groups, including CT-Starships. These are dedicated forums with a dedicated base, including a number of people who frequent more than one of the above. Mongoose has the benefit of having a Traveller-centric forum that can draw on people who are on to the boards due to Mongoose's other games.

Does the TML still exist?

RPG.net has occasional Traveller threads (some are long-lived), but its scope is wide-open and fans there tend not to keep a focus on Traveller.
 
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ct-starships has had a few really good posts recently: "Re: This group seems very quiet", "Re: AHL type raiders", etc. These are on the subject of operationally influenced High Guard scenarios and so forth.

ct-striker has sporadic postings... occasionally quite meaty....

There's a Traveller_T20 list I subscribe to that is VERY sporadic. They are currently having a "What now?" type discussion as they come grips with the weird changes in the D&D communities vis a vis sci-fi platforms.

I get a digest of TML posts, but there doesn't seem to be much in them worth digging out. Perhaps I just don't care to slog through the digest format.

The GURPS forum has some pretty smart dudes on it... many of them accomplished GURPS authors... but I find more actual play experience among the COTI denizens. This is where the CT grogs hang out. ;)
 
Angle,

While JTAS is an excellent subscription, 2 years for $20 and access to years of archives, the forum there is mostly dead. I'm a subscriber and I check them out roughly every two weeks when a new JTAS issue is published. Messages are rare and threads rarer. It's rather sad because the JTAS used to be quite active and I participated in some of the best on-line Traveller discussions I've ever had there.

SJGames has a Traveller section in their free forums also. That forum can run hot and cold, it's in a lukewarm stage now. Of course, the topics discuss G:Traveller more often than other versions because SJGame's forums are, naturally, house organs and are moderated as such.

The Stellar Reaches fanzine is on a hiatus, perhaps permanently. One reason for this is Mongoose has laid down some fairly stringent requirements for fanzines in their "Fair Use" policy(1). Another reason is that T20 is on life support and that version is the one Stellar Reaches was founded to support.

Another fanzine, Frontier Report, was recently announced here. That fanzine is going to come out biannually and will also completely ignore MgT's rules so as not to run afoul of Mongoose's "Fair Use" policy. I believe the first issue is due out this month, so you'll learn about it at the same time we all do.

The various Traveller Yahoo Groups run the gamut between very sporadic and moribund. ct starhips shows the most activity, but it is can be quiet for weeks. ct striker is another relatively active group, but it's quiet periods last even longer than ct starships.

The Comstar/Avenger forum is spotty also, among other troubles. There are sections of the forum there that haven't seen posts in over 5 months. I also find the attitudes there more clannish and sycophantic. For example, you will see more posts announcing things and fewer posts discussing things. YMMV.

The TML might as well be dead. I subscribe and receive a few posts each day, but I haven't bothered to post to the TML in nearly a year. The TML's format, a subscription e-mail list, is a dinosaur and has been replaced near web-wide by the forum format. You can easily pick and choose which conversation you which to read in a forum set-up, it's much harder to do the same with an e-mail list. It's sad to see the TML die out, it's been around for a long time and I had some excellent times there, but evolution is a fact of life and the TML's way of doing business has been long supplanted.

There are other subscription e-mail lists like TNE's Dark Tower. Most were spun off from the TML after various fueds. FWIU, their traffic is even lower than that on the TML.

Mongoose has active forums discussing their many games and one of those forums discusses MgT or, more accurately, discusses MgT in a manner that Mongoose approves of. The forums there are house organs and, because Mongoose pays the band, Mongoose gets to pick the tunes. Mongoose's moderation also seems more "robust" or "proactive" than that practiced by that other gaming company with house organ forums, SJGames. Forum bans were actually handed out during what was supposedly a playtest for MgT.

COTI, for all its recent ills real or imagined, is currently the most active and wide ranging of Traveller's forums. While originally created to support T20, the Schrodinger's cat-like nature of that rules set means every other version of Traveller is discussed much more often. The same cannot be said for SJGames' and Mongoose's forums, they're supporting active and specific versions of Traveller and their forums reflect that fact.

Hope this helps some.


Regards,
Bill

1 - Before anyone thinks I'm bashing Mongoose for it's business practices, I should point out that Mongoose's stringent "Fair Use" is pretty much the industry norm while FFE's is a definite exception.
 
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Helps tremendously, Bill. Thanks for that very thorough recap.

I recently renewed my sub to JTAS, and you're right, it's a bargain as online subscriptions go. I'm sure they don't go public with their circulation numbers, but is it the general sense that it's pretty widely read (among a narrow audience, of course)?

Steve
 
Jtas

In my opinion is circulation is falling. Polls and article ratings are dropping. Future of JTAS thread has a number of comments that renewal problems existed. (mine was flawless early last month).

Articles once rated 60-80 people can't crack 18 any longer.

Polls once 200-300 votes now barely crack 100 (ignoring repeat polling of late).




Bill excellent revue of sites.
 
In my opinion is circulation is falling. Polls and article ratings are dropping. Future of JTAS thread has a number of comments that renewal problems existed. (mine was flawless early last month).


E9504,

That's what I've seen too, sadly.

Another telling point, IMHO, is the fact that SJGames has removed one of their employees from the role of JTAS eidtor and subcontracted the position to Loren Wiseman. Mr. Wiseman is a great choice but he's also not a SJGames employee. If JTAS were important to SJGames, the job of editor would most certainly be an in-house position.

Articles once rated 60-80 people can't crack 18 any longer. Polls once 200-300 votes now barely crack 100 (ignoring repeat polling of late).

Again, sadly true.

I find the low level of activity in the forums especially convincing. When you remember that the "Antares Boom" threads there averaged hundreds of post a day, I couldn't keep up, and that the Interstellar Wars forum, which existed well before GT:IW was even in its preliminary stages, saw heavy traffic too, it's sad to see maybe a dozen posts a month across all the JTAS-specific forums. Every two weeks one member reviews and rate the articles in the new issue and a few other members reply. That's about it.

Bill excellent revue of sites.

Thank you.


Regards,
Bill
 
JTAS Forum

Bill?

Did the JTAS forums pre-date the open forum?

Though you called the SJG forums lukewarm I noticed in a 5 week period one thread got 194 posts and 26 threads were active in March. None here hit 90 I could find. two older threads on piracy & Aslan took 3-6 months to hit 100. So open forum doing well.

On polls my preference poll here hit 181 in 5 weeks, nothing in JTAS close in quite awhile.
 
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Did the JTAS forums pre-date the open forum?

E9504,

The Open forums predate the JTAS forums. I know that because I used a link in the open forums to subscribe to JTAS very early on.

Though you called the SJG forums lukewarm I noticed in a 5 week period one thread got 194 posts and 26 threads were active in March. None here hit 90 I could find. two older threds on piracy & Aslan took 3-6 months to hit 100. So open forum doing well.

Lukewarm relative to COTI perhaps? ;)

I've seen relatively dead periods there in which a few thread recieve a few posts per day and very few new threads are created. It runs hot and cold, so lukewarm is a good average.

On polls my preference poll hit 181 in 5 weeks, nothing in JTAS close in quite awhile.

That is good for the current JTAS, but rather low when compared to JTAS a few years ago.


Regards,
Bill
 
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