JTAS Contest #24 Unveiled

[savage]

Well, I just sent him my T20 design as well. I've done the others out of Regency sourcebook and will place them on my website. Have had a few other issues to be concerned with.

Should be fun. Thanks for the suggestion Dan.

I also have done a couple contest 23 possibilities that are on my website including the Sky Raiders' asteroid baseship should anyone be interested.

Savage

 

[snrdg082102]

Evening Savage,

Very nice collection you have there. You have been rather busy and I do like what I see there.

On another note, which is probably an IE 6 problem, when the Royal Navy Academy page is almost done opening a popup dialog box opens with the message "Stack overflow at line: 0" The message also appears, twice on the next page when I clicked on the link.

Originally posted by Savage:
Well, I just sent him my T20 design as well. I've done the others out of Regency sourcebook and will place them on my website. Have had a few other issues to be concerned with.

Should be fun. Thanks for the suggestion Dan.

I also have done a couple contest 23 possibilities that are on my website including the Sky Raiders' asteroid baseship should anyone be interested.

Savage

 

[savage]

Thank you Tom,

Stack overflow. I'll check it out. As an ol' Unix guy I lean towards netscape. Get arthritis anytime I have to converting to the evil empire.

Savage

 

[snrdg082102]

Morning Savage,

Thank-you for the reply and checking out a possible evil empire problem. When I was going for my CIS degree I tried 3 classes in programming, Qpascal, Qbasic, and C++. I have an incomplete in pascal, passed both Basic (2.8), and C++ (2.0). Which taught me to leave programming to thoughs who have the touch. As for the evil empire, their stuff generally works for me, and being a lazy enlisted retired sailor is just fine.

Originally posted by Savage:
Thank you Tom,

Stack overflow. I'll check it out. As an ol' Unix guy I lean towards netscape. Get arthritis anytime I have to converting to the evil empire.

Savage

 

[savage]

Tom,
Thanks for pointing it out. Took a brief look at how many pages were impacted yesterday and I'll try to fix them in the next couple days. The site was generally for my players but we're taking a couple month break as people solve personel issues... that give me a little extra time.

I've been working on rounding out my battlestar fleet and I suppose next I'll commit a few more home rules to writing and switch some of the Gurps ships over that I like.

***

Have to admit, I'm a JTAS member but didn't follow the contests. It is fun. Has a T20 design ever place or won?

Savage

 

[far-trader]

Originally posted by Savage:
Have to admit, I'm a JTAS member but didn't follow the contests. It is fun. Has a T20 design ever place or won?

Savage

Yes, only recently to my knowledge, being there seems to be only the two of us before now. More is gooder

My entry (#4) for contest 21 and the good Baron Saarthuran von Gushiddan for his entry (#1) in contest 20.

 

[savage]

Shame I didn't realize it. I had two possible entries for 23. Oh well its never too late to start.

Savage

 

[TheDS]

A "cruiser" could be just about anything, from the 400 ton Patrol Cruiser, 500 ton Darrian Cruiser (RSB), and the 800 ton Mercenary Cruiser, to the 2000 ton Zhodani Strike Cruiser, the 30,000 ton Vargr Aek Naz Battlecruiser (Reb), or the assorted 100,000 ton Imperial Cruisers (Armored, Heavy, Missile, Strike, Frontier,...) from FSSI and also I think Supp7.

The term has been used for all kinds of purposes. Sub-1000 ton ships are little more than the modern equivalent to coastal patrol craft, which is really all the Darrians need, right? They don't have much of an offensive arm, so they don't need protracted campaigns in enemy space, or the supply to wage them.

Therefore, I agree that this instance should see a sub-1000 ton ship.

 

[PVernon]

Originally posted by Savage:
Shame I didn't realize it. I had two possible entries for 23. Oh well its never too late to start.

Savage

No time like the present to do up a real winner for #24.

 

[snrdg082102]

Hello theDS,

CT: Supplement 7 is Traders and Gunboats, I think you are refering to Supplement 9.

From CT: Supplement 9 - Fighting Ships p. 9
Cruisers: ..."Sizes range from 20,000 to 100,000 tons." Which appears to have been an a clarification to the core rules. My reason for this thought is that I can't seem to find a reference in the first 8 LBBs .

The smallest "cruiser" in CT: Supplement 9 - Fighting Ships is Broadsword-class Mercenary Cruiser, p. 21, at 800 tons. The next in line is the Kinunir Colonial Cruiser, p. 19, 1,250 dtons. From there the dtons jumps to 30k dtons of the Gionetti light cruiser, 2 50k dton Arakoine strike cruiser and the Ghalalk armored cruiser. Then comes the Azhanti High Lightning 60k dton frontier cruiser. The last one mentioned is the Altantic heavy cruiser, which I had totally over looked in an earlier post

, at 75k dtons.

Next, in the MT/TNE time line, I would agree that if the only threat that the Darrians faced came from the Sword Worlds then small combat craft under 1,000 dtons would fit the bill. However, in the CT, prior to MT, and GT allternate timeline, they also have the Zhos to contend with, which means there is, at least from my point of view anyway, a need for larger craft.

Of course, I am biased since as a submarine sailor I like the idea of kocking off cruisers and such.

Originally posted by TheDS:
A "cruiser" could be just about anything, from the 400 ton Patrol Cruiser, 500 ton Darrian Cruiser (RSB), and the 800 ton Mercenary Cruiser, to the 2000 ton Zhodani Strike Cruiser, the 30,000 ton Vargr Aek Naz Battlecruiser (Reb), or the assorted 100,000 ton Imperial Cruisers (Armored, Heavy, Missile, Strike, Frontier,...) from FSSI and also I think Supp7.

The term has been used for all kinds of purposes. Sub-1000 ton ships are little more than the modern equivalent to coastal patrol craft, which is really all the Darrians need, right? They don't have much of an offensive arm, so they don't need protracted campaigns in enemy space, or the supply to wage them.

Therefore, I agree that this instance should see a sub-1000 ton ship.

 

[rancke]

Originally posted by TheDS:
A "cruiser" could be just about anything,

Sure. My point was that it wasn't just a random cruiser, it was a Barekdoldin Class cruiser, for which we have certain canonical information.


Hans

 

[cmdrx]

Also, why is anyone bothering with meson turrets/barbettes when you have 55G missles!? Assuming TL16/GTL13 sensors are better than TL15/GTL12 sensors, you should be able to kill your opponent before they even *see* you or your missles.

Becuase GT:starships states that those missiles, and the Megathrusters that power them, are unavailable to the Darrians or any other TL16 society. I would make those TL17 then. (Late GTL13).

Yes, I am playing this one conservitively, I have used those SIM-13 55g things in a game before (hell, I helped design them!) and they are truly nasty.

 

[cmdrx]

Meson barbettes???

What do you want with pea shooters whan you can have real guns

p.s. Am I right that we can invent "fictitious" weapon systems???

A pea shooter that can ignore armour and detinate practicaly in your face?

I am basing my desgin on the 500dt Patrol Cruiser in Regency Sourcebook, thus the smaller toys. I have no doubt in my mind that a Darrian CC (Full out Cruiser) would be packing the Type-U Meson Spinal...

 

[cmdrx]

p.s. Am I right that we can invent "fictitious" weapon systems???

I think so, that's the way I've been reading it.

Dibs on the Gravy Guns!
Custard bazookas

Don't make me get out the 3.1415926cm Gatling Custard Pi Launchers!

 

[snrdg082102]

Lo Savage,

Sorry, about the slow response to your post. You are welcome for the information about the Eveil Empire not playing nicely with your outstanding web page coding. Of course allowing a sailor access to something is away for the sailor to find something that can be broken.

The site is still very good, regardless, and thank-you for providing the link.

Originally posted by Savage:
Tom,
Thanks for pointing it out. Took a brief look at how many pages were impacted yesterday and I'll try to fix them in the next couple days. The site was generally for my players but we're taking a couple month break as people solve personel issues... that give me a little extra time.

I've been working on rounding out my battlestar fleet and I suppose next I'll commit a few more home rules to writing and switch some of the Gurps ships over that I like.

***

Have to admit, I'm a JTAS member but didn't follow the contests. It is fun. Has a T20 design ever place or won?

Savage

 

[snrdg082102]

Morning all,

Can someone with in-depth knowledge of the TNE design sequence help find where 25-dton bays are introduced?

 

[TheDS]

Yeah, Supp 9, that's what I meant; thanks.

Anyway, even in RL, "cruiser" has been bandied about and used on just about any kind of ship you can imagine. For the most part, the term refers to a ship that is faster and lighter than a ship-of-the-line (modern parlance: battleship or dreadnaught). A destroyer was originally intended to intercept torpedo boats, and wound up supplanting them and taking their job. In the modern US navy, destroyers are now growing in size to supplant cruisers and take their jobs.

Modern frigates take the role now of what destroyers used to do; they are purpose-built (anti-sub is is most typical purpose). And of course, everyone's got a ton of coastal vessels.

I see the Darrians as being more like Spain is today. No real need for a powerful navy, no world-wide (or sector-wide) empire to protect. That's what the US and Imperium are for. The Darrians' aid to the Imperium is to basically deny the enemy the ability to move through their territory; kinda like being Switzerland in the WW's. Big rock in a stream, except Darrian doesn't do neutrality; they simply can't afford it because they HAVE enemies, whereas Switzerland doesn't have that many, and had the ability to make invasion cost a lot more than it would be worth. The enemies of Darrian do not have the sense to not invade.

 

[snrdg082102]

Lo TheDS,

Thank-you for your reply to my earlier post. No problem, I was looking at the supplements about the time you made you post, which allowed me to have the answer at hand.

Yeah, the term cruiser does cover a wide range of dtons, which does not help a designer. Especially if they read the definition of cruiser in Supplement 9.

Interesting idea about the Darrians, something that I am going to ponder on for a while.

Originally posted by TheDS:
Yeah, Supp 9, that's what I meant; thanks.

Anyway, even in RL, "cruiser" has been bandied about and used on just about any kind of ship you can imagine. For the most part, the term refers to a ship that is faster and lighter than a ship-of-the-line (modern parlance: battleship or dreadnaught). A destroyer was originally intended to intercept torpedo boats, and wound up supplanting them and taking their job. In the modern US navy, destroyers are now growing in size to supplant cruisers and take their jobs.

Modern frigates take the role now of what destroyers used to do; they are purpose-built (anti-sub is is most typical purpose). And of course, everyone's got a ton of coastal vessels.

I see the Darrians as being more like Spain is today. No real need for a powerful navy, no world-wide (or sector-wide) empire to protect. That's what the US and Imperium are for. The Darrians' aid to the Imperium is to basically deny the enemy the ability to move through their territory; kinda like being Switzerland in the WW's. Big rock in a stream, except Darrian doesn't do neutrality; they simply can't afford it because they HAVE enemies, whereas Switzerland doesn't have that many, and had the ability to make invasion cost a lot more than it would be worth. The enemies of Darrian do not have the sense to not invade.