Isis Arepo Ilethian, heir of Dulinor
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I imagine not but also imagine the high noble houses should be very... Dune-ish and understanding how their politics work and what must be done. Duty and all that is one thing but most daughters love their fathers, even if they get angry with them sometimes.
A major reason I find the plot unbelievable, even if Dulinor decides killing Stephron is the only solution, running away rather than standing and fighting at Capital to a conclusion and creating a long and bloody war makes no sense.
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David
Agreed. If one is going to claim the Throne by Right of Assassination, one ought to stick around and, you know, actually lead.
The plan was to stick around. The plan didn't survive contact with the enemy. Dulinor made a bad call. Such things happen.
One might suspect that Dulinor was the kind of person who assumed that all things would work out as planned. The whole plan was predicated on the assumption that the rest of the high nobles would accept the Right of Assassination as valid even though it had been 500 years since it had been invoked and people apparently had forgotten all about it or regarded it as a quaint bit of historical trivia.
Hans
Honorable Nobles,
The Right of Assassination requires the limitation of alternate claims, no matter how weak, to the Iridium Throne. Having a battle fleet in orbit is a clear designation that a change of authority has occurred and typically would impress stability upon the Moot.
Dulinor lacked the staying power to take Capital. Perhaps that is not where his heart was drawn. Perhaps moving the throne to Dlan was more in-line with his approach.
But this is really about Isis.
The Right of Assassination requires the limitation of alternate claims, no matter how weak, to the Iridium Throne. Having a battle fleet in orbit is a clear designation that a change of authority has occurred and typically would impress stability upon the Moot.
Dulinor lacked the staying power to take Capital. Perhaps that is not where his heart was drawn. Perhaps moving the throne to Dlan was more in-line with his approach.
But this is really about Isis.
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Ok, Dulinor wanted the Throne, but all his support was from Iliesh, he could have been victim of his own security (who were probably Iliesh separatists), who dragged him back to their domain to rule there.
Getting back to Isis, with her best friend dead at the hands of her father, I suspect she would gather information to pass on to pro Imperium rebels within
Iliesh, be found out by the separatists, who have infiltrated the group and exiled to some backwater world.
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David
Married the wrong woman. He loved his wife, but she wanted more power. Same old story. His admiralty contacts would have misled him. Dlan is heavily pacifist. Keeping that in mind, Stephon realized Dulinor wanted change, but did not count on all the disloyal in his flock.
Impossible to bring a battle squadron along without bringing up an alert, if not telegraphing his intentions (and signing his own death warrant). The plan was to claim the throne by default by eliminating the direct heirs. His relatively recent appointment by Strephon, who also made the Domains more than just nominal and/or ceremonial anachronisms also points to growing influence, but not a man bred for such a position of high influence.
Just like the Domains.
Which had been relatively recently revived by Strephon as a result of Longbow revelations of the incoming Empress Wave and a plan for the Imperium to survive it (which ironically enough is what started the chain of events to bring it down - or properly prepared the Regency to weather it, depending how you look at it). From the whole Kulligan and Jurisor bits in TNS in Survival Margin, he seems to delegate an awful lot of authority to spook type Right Hand Man. Clearly that's a certain feature of any decent command structure, but the way Kulligan rebels and Jurisor is defiant, if not truculent while still seemingly loyal in the face of Dulinor's recriminations over the assassinations doesn't speak to a firm command personality. Certainly not the best judge of men putting such in high positions that he experiences such disloyalty and/or dissonance with them.
It redoubles my impression of Dulinor being a Cicero-style "New Man" Which would give him a chip on his shoulder with the rest of the aristocratic 3I nobility (who supposedly were scornful and/or opposed his rise to at least some degree), added to the chip he would have by being a non-Virasin on Dlan. If his background was military, which makes me think of him more as Pompey Magnus than a Caesar (who was a born and bred aristocrat, of course) except without the famous pattern of victories, but just as resentful.
Meshing in the retcon Gurps material on Isis, one could imagine her having at least a similar level of influence, if not more. That makes Dulinor a man pulled in multiple directions by those closest to him who humor his vanity in seeing himself as the man to reform the Imperium and to feather their own nests at the same time. His populist rhetoric and the reformation of the Domain into the Federation of Ilelish as a proto-Regency speak to his goals. Was Isis a voice of moderation or was she urging him on to more or was she just of like mind has to be left to YTU as insufficient data in OTU.
Dulinor seems to have been rather obscure prior to his elevation by Strephon, so doubtful she was groomed her life, as was Iphigenia, for example, so she can be a bit of a wild card.
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Yeah, dames will always disappoint a decent fellow, am I right?
It is a common interpretation. A decision tree might help men through these difficult moments. In Isis' case, there is plenty of potential for her mothers plotting and planning. Isis herself, could have a completely different twist.
Dulinor was probably a sector duke. There are many of them so he must of stood out with naval experience, radical ideas and a strong family.
Strephon's quote in Survival Margin dated 1103 indicates Dulinor was a Duke and qualifies him "as innovative as he has seen." I would interpret that to have some relatively radical ideas (ala representative government in place of the traditional nobility) combined with personal magnetism and/or ability at public oratory. Strong landed family and upbringing sould have rated a different impression on Strephon, I should think. That means subsector Duke to me. I would also suspect he was more like Norris and not the lifelong groomed scion of his family, either. Perhaps he received both titles in relatively quick succession as a Novus Homo in reward for military service.
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GT Nobles identified Dulinor as the "Duke of Dlan". Not the Duke of Ilelish. While Dlan is both the sector and subsector (and domain, at least after 1104) capital, and has been since the Suerrat Revolt, it apparently keeps the two Dukes separate.
Reasonably so since they are two different duchies held by two different people. The Duke of Ilelish is the Duke of Ilelish subsector (And his capital is Shudiikii (3003), not Ilelish). The sector duke of Ilelish Sector doesn't get a separate title for being sector duke (presumably to emphasize that he isn't superior to the other dukes, merely first among equals).
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