Imperial Heraldry

[Black Vulmea]

Has anyone done anything else with Imperial heraldic rules?

IMTU, while Solomani and some Syleans use Terran heraldry, the Vilani kilurek - sigil or glyph, depending on the translator - is far more common in Imperial space. The kilurek is more closely parallel to the Japanese mon than Western European heraldic traditions.

 

[FreeTrav]

Been lurking here for a few days, and thought I'd post this 'extra-Imperial' heraldry/Coat-of-Arms, I ginned up in '21, for a 'patent of nobility' that an NPC received.View attachment 6556
Phlange 1414 Asura.

Lakenan: Per bend Gules* and potenty argent and azure; two rosed barbed of the first and seeded argent in bend sinistre and in canton a thistle of the first.

If you change the color of the upper-right background, it will work better and not violate the (traditional Anglo-Norman) rules, since the roses and the thistle are essentially the same color as the upper right background. The simplest change would be to make the upper-right background Yellow/Gold ("Or"), which corrects the problem for both the thistle and the rose. Other than that color issue, however, this is quite good as heraldry.


Lakenan (revised): Per bend Or and potenty argent and azure; two roses barbed gules* seeded argent in bend sinistre and in canton a thistle gules*.

* Note that this color (which I've blazoned as gules (red) could be anywhere from gules (red) to purpure (purple) to sanguine (blood-red) or murrey (maroon); it's not quite a "standard" blazonable color/stain.

 

[FreeTrav]

I've seen some portray a Bezant as a coin as opposed to a golden circle, hence my "Roundel". It's the artistic license of the herald!

Yes, but this gets into "fiddly details" that aren't actually included in the blazon; two heraldic artists may disagree on whether a "roundel Or" should be depicted with or without coin-like detail; this sort of thing was usually determined by visual context - e.g., if the prevailing "good taste" art style gets into lots of rococo detail, you want your bezants/roundels Or to be depicted as coins; if you're going for a Danish Modern look, simple yellow dots is the order of the day. Almost universally, where one herald writes "roundel Or", another will write "bezant", and they will both agree that it means the same thing (and similarly for the other roundel names).

 

[gchuck]

Lakenan: Per bend Gules* and potenty argent and azure; two rosed barbed of the first and seeded argent in bend sinistre and in canton a thistle of the first.

If you change the color of the upper-right background, it will work better and not violate the (traditional Anglo-Norman) rules, since the roses and the thistle are essentially the same color as the upper right background. The simplest change would be to make the upper-right background Yellow/Gold ("Or"), which corrects the problem for both the thistle and the rose. Other than that color issue, however, this is quite good as heraldry.

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Lakenan (revised): Per bend Or and potenty argent and azure; two roses barbed gules* seeded argent in bend sinistre and in canton a thistle gules*.

* Note that this color (which I've blazoned as gules (red) could be anywhere from gules (red) to purpure (purple) to sanguine (blood-red) or murrey (maroon); it's not quite a "standard" blazonable color/stain.

The extent of knowledge I have, is that heraldry exists. I'm rather pleased this follows the 'accepted' display parameters, considering I spent little more than an afternoon cobbling it together in 'PS'. Consider it 'adopted'. Thank you!

 

[aramis]

Canada is not the first to add copper; it was added as the metallic for a rose color in eastern europe in the 17th C.
Sky was used as a metal in 17th C eastern European heraldry, too. Represented by brushed aluminum foil.
Neither were common. See Fox-Davies The Art of Heraldry. The big one, not the abridged ones.

 

[RossWinn]

See Fox-Davies The Art of Heraldry. The big one, not the abridged ones.

This guy heralds...

 

[aramis]

Yes, but this gets into "fiddly details" that aren't actually included in the blazon; two heraldic artists may disagree on whether a "roundel Or" should be depicted with or without coin-like detail; this sort of thing was usually determined by visual context - e.g., if the prevailing "good taste" art style gets into lots of rococo detail, you want your bezants/roundels Or to be depicted as coins; if you're going for a Danish Modern look, simple yellow dots is the order of the day. Almost universally, where one herald writes "roundel Or", another will write "bezant", and they will both agree that it means the same thing (and similarly for the other roundel names).

If blazoned as bezants instead of rondels, the details become non-optional; they both count the same for needed differences, but are distinct at the blazon.

Many "fiddly details" are in fact in the blazon. Fine outlines (fimbriation), whether or not the line is scalloped or engrailed (which side the points are on)...

SCA herald of many years. Also have actually read all of Fox-Davies's TAOH. And some of his smaller works.

 

[aramis]

This guy heralds...

Indeed. Former Peregrine and Lion's Blood herald within the SCA.

 

[kilemall]

Herald big or go home.

 

[AlHazred]

This was all a thought exercise based on the idea that sometimes the College of Heralds would add new standards if they suddenly needed the capacity to double the number of achievements granted. What would they add? As far as charges go, those are already added on a regular basis (even if they do not necessarily catch on). But tinctures are added rarely, so they would need to be iconic. Furs might be easier to justify, what would the 3I College of Heralds choose to add? I've supplied some of my own ideas in the thread (jaseroque, iridium), I'm gathering a lot of people either haven't given it much thought or go on a case-by-case basis.

Ironically, my players all made characters basically on the opposite end of the social spectrum, so I didn't end up needing any of the stuff I came up with.