General I'm interested in your opinions on making wafers

[Commander Truestar]

Hi,
I've done some searches and perhaps missed what I was looking for so I figured I'd ask.

Especially thanks to Marc's "Agent of the Imperium", wafer tech has become huge.
I'm looking for costs and such for a system that makes wafers. Especially for cloning.

My thoughts are:
Obvious: a specialist type computer
1) Tech: No earlier than TL 13(LBB-tech scale), more likely at TL-14.

2) Size: It has to have a massive amount of storage to be used for cloning, so "lots" is
..............needed
.....based on today's news, where physicists from the University of Otago "held" an atom in
..............place to measure it
...So, smaller because of the reduction in cooling systems, etc..

3) Scanner tech:
...sub-atomic tracking required
...Clustered "reading" sensors required in large numbers

4) Cost: At east MCr 20

I'd add more but my thought process is stuck at the moment.

Thoughts?

 

[atpollard]

Keebler Elves.
(and that is all that I am going to say about it.)

 

[mike wightman]

AotI shows that to record a full personality at lower TLs the original has to be destructively scanned - this process likely involves taking the brain apart layer by layer during the scanning process itself and 'digitising' the personality and memory.

At higher TLs the process is no longer destructive, since a back up personality copy can be stored as per the insurance gamble. This is likely a result of super advanced NMR scanning married to the knowledge of sub-atomic forces that is unlocked as evident by nuclear damper technology.

 

[Commander Truestar]

AotI shows that to record a full personality at lower TLs the original has to be destructively scanned - this process likely involves taking the brain apart layer by layer during the scanning process itself and 'digitising' the personality and memory.

At higher TLs the process is no longer destructive, since a back up personality copy can be stored as per the insurance gamble. This is likely a result of super advanced NMR scanning married to the knowledge of sub-atomic forces that is unlocked as evident by nuclear damper technology.

Mike,

I agree. What I'm trying to do is come up with components and costs.
So far, I have the:
1) Bio-Reader/Scanner - Writer interface
A) Guidance diagnostic systems to locate neural structures
B) Array of atomic level scanning nodes

2) The Computer:
A) Controller module
B) Storage memory (very large)

3) Wafer writer

What additional components do you imagine?

 

[mike wightman]

Lets break it down into the recording, storage of the personality/memory/skill, and the wafer jack or wafer interface.

Recording.
Something akin to an MRI scanner that envelops the head and makes a 3D model of the brain down to the atomic scale, this records neural structures and thus personality/memory.
Note that individual sections of the brain could be recorded that are linked to skill use to make the skill wafers that are also an option.
At higher TLs this scanning/recording apparatus can be reduced in size until it is no more than a headset

Spoiler:

(think Westworld hats which have the memory scanner hidden within the hat you pick)

Here in the real world an MRI scanner can cost anywhere from $300,000 for an extremity only scanner up to $3,000,000 for a top of the range whole body scanner.

Next is storage - I don't know where I get this number from but approximately 30 terabytes of storage to map a human brain (may have been Isaac Arthur). We have to get this down to thumb drive scale for wafer tech.

 

[Commander Truestar]

Recording.
Something akin to an MRI scanner that envelops the head and makes a 3D model of the brain down to the atomic scale, this records neural structures and thus personality/memory.
Note that individual sections of the brain could be recorded that are linked to skill use to make the skill wafers that are also an option.

While I agree with most of the above, I'm thinking cloning, so "individual sections" is something for future consideration. But, not needed for now

At higher TLs this scanning/recording apparatus can be reduced in size until it is no more than a headset

That falls into miniaturization...
More on that in a bit

Here in the real world an MRI scanner can cost anywhere from $300,000 for an extremity only scanner up to $3,000,000 for a top of the range whole body scanner.

So, turning the idea of an MRI up,
...and adding in things like isolating individual atoms (something they just did recently per my original comment) this multiplies it by an order of magnitude or so.

So, I'm thinking something like MCr 10 or 15

Next is storage - I don't know where I get this number from but approximately 30 terabytes of storage to map a human brain (may have been Isaac Arthur). We have to get this down to thumb drive scale for wafer tech.

Now, we get to talk miniaturization.
Assume we need a zettabyte.
But also accept that we have the tech to mass produce (at the right tech levels) atomic level quantum storage.

So, the device now looks like a bed where the patient can relax and even sleep while being scanned. And a headrest which comprises the scanning device itself.

And the memory to import and assemble the file before printing it to a wafer...
And the wafer is an atomic quantum storage device.

So, a final design like that which costs around MCr 20 or so?