IISS Academy?

[Meteoric Assault]

IISS Academy? My IMTU Solution.

Almost every major service career has an academy. Why not scouts? in RL we have a Coast Guard and Merchant Marine Academies.
Here is the proposed IISS Academy ( home of the fighting eight legged riding dinosaurs )

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Bump ( My IMTU Solution is now posted)

what is the name of the eight legged dinosaur the scout is riding?

 

[atpollard]

what is the name of the eight legged dinosaur the scout is ridding?

Poni.

It is based on a linguistic misunderstanding between the historic "pony express" of old Earth and a (Vilanii?) animal called a "poni".
(The IISS carries mail).

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Poni.

It is based on a linguistic misunderstanding between the historic "pony express" of old Earth and a (Vilanii?) animal called a "poni".
(The IISS carries mail).

LOL.. I will modify

 

[mike wightman]

I don't see the IISS having an academy - it's just not that sort of service IMHO.

I didn't like how LBB6 gave the Scouts a rank structure and bureaucracy - they changed it from the basic career in the core rules in too radical a fashion by doing this - once again just my opinion.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

I don't see the IISS having an academy - it's just not that sort of service IMHO.

Considering that we have academies for the 'poor step-children', fifth wheel services : Coast Guard, Merchant Marine, Various federal Law enforcement agencies, I am sure with a high level of certainty that it is mirrored among other 1st world nations to some degree.

Given the need for low level administrators ( using the triangular wedge for leadership and organization) it is my opinion you will need an feeder academy outside of college grads. IMHO.

 

[mike wightman]

Repeat after me 'the third Imperium is not yanks in space'...
Put another way just because the US does something does not mean the 3I does it that way.

A technical academy possibly, but not an Academy in the way the Army and Navy train their officers to be (bit pointless to train officer trainees in a service with no officers).

 

[Condottiere]

Starport Security Administration should be a career path, and have it's own academy.

They're responsible for ensuring nothing illegal is transited through a starport.

Technology should be advanced enough for them to be issued X-Ray spectacles.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Repeat after me 'the third Imperium is not yanks in space'...
Put another way just because the US does something does not mean the 3I does it that way.

A technical academy possibly, but not an Academy in the way the Army and Navy train their officers to be (bit pointless to train officer trainees in a service with no officers).

Hold up I thought this was IMTU, right?

My question is what is an administrator or executive... the scout service without a bureaucracy and levels of delegated management would fall flat on its face...

Executive/Administrator = Officer with delegated powers authority and responsibility. (QED)

Last I am going say this very clearly and I am getting annoyed, because I have been accused of being to "American" period in my traveller creations. For clarity to everyone, I generally avoid the american cliche'. I have lived in 7 different countries in my life time and can speak 3 languages conversationally (not claiming fluency), so I am rather cosmopolitan in my outlook. If anything I see the Third Imperium as successful version of the Holy Roman Empire: that has a strong structured political union; centralized cohesive defense forces, and a robust, empowered, infrastructure administration. So maybe we should be a bit more discerning and careful before we leap to generalizations or labels

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Starport Security Administration should be a career path, and have it's own academy.

They're responsible for ensuring nothing illegal is transited through a starport.

Technology should be advanced enough for them to be issued X-Ray spectacles.

The difference is "Starport Security Administration' is a local organ of administration... we are talking about the IISS and the whole the Third Imperium right?

 

[Meteoric Assault]

I didn't like how LBB6 gave the Scouts a rank structure and bureaucracy - they changed it from the basic career in the core rules in too radical a fashion by doing this - once again just my opinion.

Well I can understand that sentiment... I feel that way about GURPS, and the all the manifestations of traveller after CT. I hear you, and get you there.

 

[mike wightman]

Hold up I thought this was IMTU, right?

Yup which is why I gave my opinion rather than just flat out said it doesn't because LBB6 says so
More seriously, I can see the need for a technical academy, but not a military academy.

My question is what is an administrator or executive... the scout service without a bureaucracy and levels of delegated management would fall flat on its face...

In the basic rules the scout service has no rank structure. People are left to their own devices to explain how the scout service is organised.
The OTU IISS has been given a military rank structure bureaucratic branch which I personally don't think fits the vision of the scout service the game originally projected.

Executive/Administrator = Officer with delegated powers authority and responsibility. (QED)

You (general you not you specifically) are at risk of overly militarising the scouts though.
A civil service has rank structure and 'officers' in much the same way that businesses have a rank structure.

 

[mike wightman]

Mind you we also get a merchant academy so it does seem a little odd that there is no scout equivalent.

 

[mike wightman]

Well I can understand that sentiment... I feel that way about GURPS, and the all the manifestations of traveller after CT. I hear you, and get you there.

LBB6 Scouts was the first core rules supplement which was written directly for the established OTU Imperium rather than as a 'generic' rules supplement with suggestions of how it could work in the Imperial setting.

The fact that they can go to college as a pre-enlistment option rather than having a military academy cements them as a civilian service in my mind.

Hence I may be swayed to have a scout academy that doesn't have the trappings of a military academy if that makes any sense at all.

 

[McPerth]

This may be version dependent (after all I'm not sure whate version of Traveller do you use IYTU), as they don't exist in some versions, but I'd add Wilderness Survival (CT, just Survival in MT) and survey to the list of skills that scouts may achieve in Academy, and change the automatic Admin-1 to Liaison-1 (that I remind you serves as Admin 0), as Liaison was initially introduced in LBB 6 (scouts) and is, after all, rue civilian equivalent to leadership.

Alternatively, honors graduates can be elegible for Medical School (as most honor graduates in other Accademies/college) or some branches schools (a technical school could be a good example) or send you to one of the schools shown in Training in LBB6.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Yup which is why I gave my opinion rather than just flat out said it doesn't because LBB6 says so
More seriously, I can see the need for a technical academy, but not a military academy.

You (general you not you specifically) are at risk of overly militarising the scouts though.

A civil service has rank structure and 'officers' in much the same way that businesses have a rank structure.

Who said it was a military academy? Academy doesn't automatically convey militaristic qualities.

Scouts are a paramilitary in organization like the boy scouts are and girls scouts... they have ranks and levels clearly delineated. However orders need to be given and obeyed in IISS missions... or people end up with weird aliens suck to their Vaccsuit faceplate.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

This may be version dependent (after all I'm not sure whate version of Traveller do you use IYTU), as they don't exist in some versions, but I'd add Wilderness Survival (CT, just Survival in MT) and survey to the list of skills that scouts may achieve in Academy, and change the automatic Admin-1 to Liaison-1 (that I remind you serves as Admin 0), as Liaison was initially introduced in LBB 6 (scouts) and is, after all, rue civilian equivalent to leadership.

Alternatively, honors graduates can be elegible for Medical School (as most honor graduates in other Accademies/college) or some branches schools (a technical school could be a good example) or send you to one of the schools shown in Training in LBB6.

Scout 'medical branch'.... Xeno Medicine and CDC rolled into one... not a bad suggestion Mc Perth!

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Mind you we also get a merchant academy so it does seem a little odd that there is no scout equivalent.

Thank you for the concession! whew!

 

[McPerth]

The fact that they can go to college as a pre-enlistment option rather than having a military academy cements them as a civilian service in my mind.

Hence I may be swayed to have a scout academy that doesn't have the trappings of a military academy if that makes any sense at all.

Nonetheless, LBB7 presents us with a Merchant Academy, merchants being not only civilian, but also not a single large body (as Military or Scouts are), but multitude of various sized companies...

And in contrast, Military Academy does not appear in LBB4 (while it appears in a JTAS and in MT), the military having them in RL in most (not to say all) countries...

EDIT: Also, the fact that Scouts are said to fall under Navy command and that the Way Stations and Scout bases are used as Naval bases in times of war, hints that the Scouts have a military trend, even being a basically civilian agency.

 

[mike wightman]

Thank you for the concession! whew!

It's an interesting topic, I'm glad you have brought it up