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Hello, just stumbled upon this forum

Hi everyone. pretty excited to see a revival of the old system (i quit playing MegaTraveller after GDW crushed Digest Group publications)


Okie dokie, I'm still desperately searching via google for some quotes from "Starship Operator's Manual, Vol 1" by Digest Group Publications (it was a beautiful book)

The quote im looking for is the "old man"'s story about him getting hand's on with some starship pilot HUD workstation...Does anyone here have a copy of that old book?

I'd be very grateful if someone out there posted that "mini story".

plz and thx
 
'(i quit playing MegaTraveller after GDW crushed Digest Group publications)'

Huh? DGP bailed on GDW instead of moving on to TNE (or so Joe Fugate claimed in MTJ4)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MajorFreak:
Hi everyone. pretty excited to see a revival of the old system (i quit playing MegaTraveller after GDW crushed Digest Group publications)


Okie dokie, I'm still desperately searching via google for some quotes from "Starship Operator's Manual, Vol 1" by Digest Group Publications (it was a beautiful book)

The quote im looking for is the "old man"'s story about him getting hand's on with some starship pilot HUD workstation...Does anyone here have a copy of that old book?

I'd be very grateful if someone out there posted that "mini story".

plz and thx
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Yes I have a copy but I am not going to type the two page text. Sent me your email address and I will send you a scan of the two pages. larryfries@gci.net
 
Hunter,

As a successor company to GDW, what rights do you have to the older material. As one of the things that I am not very keen on GURPS is...that essentially you see the same GDW stuff recycled. I would like to a return to more open future, not so much relying upon the old stuff.

Plus, any word on the Sanger front?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kafka47:

Plus, any word on the Sanger front?
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Last I heard, no new news, and much of the old news wasn't very polite...
 
What's this Sanger business? I've heard only strange rumors - like he's got the rights to DGP's old material but he isn't going to republish any of it. What gives?

(BTW, this is not a flame-bait. I just honestly want to know, as I'd *very* much like to see them reprinted.)
 
When DGP when out of business, Roger Sanger bought the copyright to all their material. Roger was going to publish a game called AI (never appeared), and announced several other such products which never apparently got beyond the annoucement stage. Given this track record, it's unlikely Roger will ever reprint the old material himself.

Over the years a number of people have contacted Roger about buying copyrights to DGP materials. The asking price has always been obsenely high (multiple hundred of thousands of dollars) and/or equivelent in work on Rogers latest project.

The people dealing with Roger have discovered he is a flake. He stops answering e-mail and phone mail for weeks, if he ever responds again.

If you want more up to date details, search the TML archives on http://tml.travellercentral.com/ , for Roger Sanger: this dicussion came up at the beginning of this year.

The feeling of the Traveller community in the know is the DGP materials are gone. And while there was some fine materials there, there was also some pretty stinky stuff. And all the current Traveller authors are simply writing around it, incorporating the good stuff and dumping the bad.


[This message has been edited by tjoneslo (edited 25 February 2002).]
 
OK, thanks for the info.

As to the quality of DGP's material - I just can't comment, as I have only a miniscule fraction of it (namely Starship Operators Manual, which is good IMHO).
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tjoneslo:
When DGP when out of business, Roger Sanger bought the copyright to all their material. Roger was going to publish a game called AI (never appeared), and announced several other such products which never apparently got beyond the annoucement stage. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>

actually, many got to the detailed concept and setting development. And he inherited AI with the copyrights, and the debt for prepaid copies. And still owes a great many of us copies of it.

Given this track record, it's unlikely Roger will ever reprint the old material himself.

Over the years a number of people have contacted Roger about buying copyrights to DGP materials. The asking price has always been obsenely high (multiple hundred of thousands of dollars) and/or equivelent in work on Rogers latest project.

The people dealing with Roger have discovered he is a flake. He stops answering e-mail and phone mail for weeks, if he ever responds again.
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you forgot:
-> Fails to pay internet bills, so addresses change often.
-> On the run from several creditors, so addresses change when they find him.
-> can't find funding to do anything with what he has, let alone pay his bills.
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If you want more up to date details, search the TML archives on http://tml.travellercentral.com/ , for Roger Sanger: this dicussion came up at the beginning of this year.

The feeling of the Traveller community in the know is the DGP materials are gone. And while there was some fine materials there, there was also some pretty stinky stuff. And all the current Traveller authors are simply writing around it, incorporating the good stuff and dumping the bad.
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Some of us (with all the DGP materials, no less) feel DGP's work was simply the best stuff ever released. Hopefully, Roger will forget to renew the copyrights. 5 more years.... (some items are already falling for renewal... unfortunately, these items are covered by later derivative work copyrights...)

additionally, Roger can't reprint them; he neither retained nor was granted anew a traveller license. And they contain far too many trademarks and related indicia to do without a license.

To me, A DGP product (of the Pre-Sanger era) was one of the best assurances of quality writing. I'd take the DGP team over ANY OTHER TRAVELLER AUTHOR OUT THERE!!!. Except MWM, and then it's a tie. (Can you tell I really am a MT fan?)

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-aramis
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Smith & Wesson: The Original Point and Click interface!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aramis:
Some of us (with all the DGP materials, no less) feel DGP's work was simply the best stuff ever released. Hopefully, Roger will forget to renew the copyrights. 5 more years.... (some items are already falling for renewal... unfortunately, these items are covered by later derivative work copyrights...)
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Unfortunately, your understanding of copyright is out of date. The Sony Bono copyright act of 1998 updated the copyright so you no longer have to register materials to have them copyrighted and copyrights are held for life of the author plus 75 years or 120 years if the date of death of the author is unknown. This means none of the DGP material will be coming into the public domain until 2100 at the earliest.

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To me, A DGP product (of the Pre-Sanger era) was one of the best assurances of quality writing. I'd take the DGP team over ANY OTHER TRAVELLER AUTHOR OUT THERE!!!. Except MWM, and then it's a tie. (Can you tell I really am a MT fan?)
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You've mentioned it once or twice.

I have issues with the DGP stuff, what I have of it, but they are mostly small issues. I got out of playing Traveller about the time MT came out and missed much of MT, TNE and T4.

[This message has been edited by tjoneslo (edited 27 February 2002).]
 
Ok, enough about endless saga of the Sanger Wars. I was wondering what ever happened to Seeker and if anyone wants to part with the stuff.

Swordy in one his news items indicated that they are releasing things in PDF but I cannot for the like of me find the webpage that he is refering to.
 
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