Grand Census + Grand Survey

[Sven]

recently started to pick up megatraveller again after finding out about the books being available as pdf. Is there anywhere on the net where you can get these two books from Digest Group publications as PDF?

 

[Andrew Boulton]

Those two were actually for CT. They were combined, updated, and rereleased for MT as World Builder's Handbook.

AFAIK no DGP books are legally available as PDFs.

 

[Elliot]

and never will be

 

[Andrew Boulton]

Never is a long time. The copyright will expire eventually...

 

[parmasson]

Yeah in about 100 years.

 

[Fritz_Brown]

Have you got some anagathics stashed away, Andrew?

 

[Andrew Boulton]

Forget anagathics, it's a full body transplant I need...

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by Parmasson:
Yeah in about 100 years.

No, it won't.

Long before the 100 years are up, the Disney corporation will ensure that Steamboat Willy and Mickey Mouse continue to be protected by copyright.

No copyright that is currently in effect will ever expire. Not in our lifetime; not in our children's lifetimes; not in our grandchildren's lifetimes. Disney will see to that.

 

[parmasson]

I beg to differ,

After Copyright War II the stockpiles of copyright lawyers will finally be destroyed and reason will return. Of course the economies of most countries will be drained as 80-90% of GDP will have been used to fund the wars and most of the population will be suffering from chronic Copyright Infringement Syndrome.

 

[rancke]

Originally posted by daryen:
Long before the 100 years are up, the Disney corporation will ensure that Steamboat Willy and Mickey Mouse continue to be protected by copyright.

No copyright that is currently in effect will ever expire. Not in our lifetime; not in our children's lifetimes; not in our grandchildren's lifetimes. Disney will see to that.

I expect that eventually the other signatories to the Berne Convention will refuse to go along. (Frankly, I'm puzzled that they haven't already; I've been told that it's because there are influential people in Europe that doesn't want Mein Kampf to fall out of copyright, but that sounds strange to me).


Hans

 

[Tobias]

Originally posted by rancke:
I expect that eventually the other signatories to the Berne Convention will refuse to go along. (Frankly, I'm puzzled that they haven't already; I've been told that it's because there are influential people in Europe that doesn't want Mein Kampf to fall out of copyright, but that sounds strange to me).

This is because the publishing rights to Mein Kampf are currently held by the state of Bavaria, which is thus in a position to forbid publication of said book, and generally does so, except for heavily annotated editions published in small printing runs for scholarly purposes.
The fear is, that, should Mein Kampf become public domain, Neo-Nazis will print it and distribute it widely as a propaganda tool.
I do not subscribe to this rationale, because I am fairly radically pro-free-speech and I have serious doubts that real ill effects will follow from Mein Kampf being made public domain. I have read parts of it and I have to say that no sane person will struggle through this entire monstrosity of a book without being forced to do so for professional reasons. Not just because of the content, but because of the barely readable style.

Regards,

Tobias

 

[Andrew Boulton]

It took Google 0.55 seconds to find Mein Kampf on the web.

 

[Tobias]

I know. That is one more reason why I find the Bavarian State's stance irrational. The book is also being reprinted outside Germany, in countries such as Sweden, the UK, the US and Israel(!).
This is just another case of a German institution trying eagerly to fight Neo-Nazis but seriously overshooting its goal. Similar to the "symbol craze", when Nazis adopt new symbols in lieu of the already outlawed swastika and the state rushes to outlaw these as well. This leads to such absurdities as Japanese comic books being censored in Germany because they contain manji (swastika) symbols - which in Japan, and Asia in general, are signs of good fortune and long life, and often used as symbols for Buddhist institutions.

Regards,

Tobias

 

[Andrew Boulton]

Amazon.de seem to have a few copies for sale.

This kind of thing just gives ammunition to the neo-Nazis, letting them claim the government is persecuting them. Rather than drive them uunderground we should drag them out into the sunlight, where we can laugh and throw rocks at them...

 

[Tobias]

Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
Amazon.de seem to have a few copies for sale.

It's legal to buy, sell and own it. If it was illegal, they wouldn't need to resort to that copyright thing.

Regards,

Tobias

 

[Fritz_Brown]

Right, Andrew. The best answer to disgusting speech is more free speech. And ridicule is often the best part of that free speech.

(What was this thread about, again?!

 

[aramis]

Someone asking where to find the (illegal but probably out there) PDF versions of Grand Census, Grand Survery, and/or World Builder's Handbook.

Now, if only we knew for sure Roger wasn't alive...

 

[robject]

Define "alive".

 

[Andrew Boulton]

"Now, if only we knew for sure Roger wasn't alive..."

It can be arranged...

 

[daryen]

"Now, if only we knew for sure Roger wasn't alive..."

It can be arranged...

Uh, guys, you can think whatever ill you want, but please don't actually write it.

First, this is just a game; it just isn't that important.

Second, offering to have someone killed, even in jest, is not a wise thing to do. Besides the lack of taste and class, it is probably against the board rules and likely illegal in at least some jurisdictions.

I am not picking on anyone here. Please, just let that thread stop.