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Go Ape!

Jason Breck

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OK, I've found bits and pieces on the board but nothing too specific in regard to generating apes and specifically gorillas (or I probably missed it). I'm looking for stats on generating apes as NPCs. I want to incorporate one into a campaign as a sort of "Planet of the Apes" sort of character and turn it loose, so to say.

Ideas? :-)

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I'm looking for stats on generating apes as NPCs.

what, you mean intelligent horse-riding rifle-wielding moral/amoral evolutionary cousins to humans? or semi-intelligent companion animals? or something else?
 
There are uplifted apes in canon as this post explains. A planet or portion of a planet colonized with uplifted apes wouldn't be that far fetched.
 
Well, the Genes war was against them, wasn't it?
 
It's in that rarity "Rats & Cats", or "Solomani & Aslan" as it's more properly known.

Apparently, an uplift project aiming at "quaddies" began working on gibbons and orangutans early in the Interstellar War era. The original project was never finished, but SolCon scientists finished the job much later as part of an effort to improve/speed human evolution.

Only gibbons and orangutans were uplifted it seems, so there's Dr. Zaius but no Zira, Cornelius, or General Ursus.
 
A planet or portion of a planet colonized with uplifted apes wouldn't be that far fetched.

I'm trying to imagine a chimpanzee in combat armor ....

never heard of apes in a game. all the standard aliens sure, but not apes. wonder why.

heh. long time ago there was this combat/scifi story about war between the u.s. and china, the u.s. army had trained killer apes working for them to help counter-balance the superior chinese numbers, but towards the end of the story the apes had lost their training and were attacking everyone.
 
what, you mean intelligent horse-riding rifle-wielding moral/amoral evolutionary cousins to humans? or semi-intelligent companion animals? or something else?

More of the Planet of the Apes model. I'm just looking at throwing in something different for the player characters to play off of.
 
what, you mean intelligent horse-riding rifle-wielding moral/amoral evolutionary cousins to humans? or semi-intelligent companion animals? or something else?

More of the Planet of the Apes model. I'm just looking at throwing in something different for the player characters to play off of. I envisioned the NPC as being from some lesser-known region, outside of the 3I.
 
Mongoose Traveller Alien Module 5 - Solomani has brief rules for uplifted apes on page 23. I think these will fit the bill.
 
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As Whipsnade points out in the linked thread, the Gene War section in S&A is kind of hard to reconcile -- it was simultaneously an incredibly traumatic and influential event for the Confederation that has also been largely wiped from popular memory. It created fear and anxiety about genetic manipulation in a society that seems pretty supportive of Terran genetic tinkering.

Combined with the inherent difficulties in using DGP materials, I think MJD's 1248 books are the only subsequent canonical sources that even obliquely acknowledge the Gene War.

GURPS Traveller: Rim of Fire notes that "Aside from Dolphins, Terrans tampered with a number of other species to make them more useful partners in the colonial enterprise. For example, chimpanzees, gibbons, gorillas, and orangutans were all altered for greater intelligence and various other desirable traits" (34). While it's not definitively stated that these uplifts achieved sentience, the illustration of the pistol-packing gorilla certainly implies that.

Mongoose Traveller: Solomani has no such ambiguity: "Uplifted great apes – chimpanzees or gorillas – are the second most common genetically engineered intelligent animals created by the Terran Confederation. Like Humans ordinary gorillas and chimps are hominids. Although routinely referred to as ‘uplifted chimps’ due to their appearance most uplifted apes are neither chimpanzees or gorillas but Troglodytes sapiens. This artificial species is a transgenic hybrid of gorilla, chimp and some Human genes first developed late in the Interstellar Wars period. They were perfected by Old Earth Union genetic engineers on Terra." By 1105 there are "several million uplifted apes living on Solomani worlds" (23).

Mongoose Traveller: Solomani Rim also notes that uplifted apes in 1105 "are quite rare in the Solomani Rim. . . . A few scattered communities exist on worlds [in] Albadawi, Sol and Capella subsectors. The Solomani Confederation raised uplifted apes to believe they are second-class citizens. Those living in the Imperium are usually treated as just another exotic minor race of Humaniti or confused with Suerrat" (33).

I think it's possible to reconcile all these sources if we accept three separate and distinct uplift attempts:

  • An initial series of uplift attempts by the Terran Confederation late in the Interstellar Wars (-2400 to -2204), with one effort focused on orangutans and gibbons, another on chimps and gorillas, and yet another on a chimera ape species. These efforts boosted intelligence but generally stopped short of achieving full sentience.
  • A second project by the Old Earth Union (-1110 to 588) that built on the TC hybrid project, successfully creating a talking, sentient Ape chimera, Troglodytes sapiens out of a mix of human and ape species. Given the TL requirements, I would assume this had to have occurred in the first century or so of the OEU, when Terra might still have harbored limited TL 13 tech*.
  • A third project by the Solomani Confederation (871+) that built on the TC orangutan and gibbon project, successfully creating sentient Orangs and Gibbons (as well as human supermen), kicking off the Gene Wars.
* Per T5, genetic manipulation is "possible" at TL 13 (499) and geneering is "practical" at TL 14 (90). The TL of worlds during the Long Night is a controversial topic, but it's important to remember that TL is never evenly distributed across worlds and even within worlds some TL aspects may be higher than others. So I think it's at least possible that Terra could have had the capability to create Troglodytes sapiens even as late as -1100, but this would have been a remarkable achievement.
 
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Interesting- there's a lot of background information go assimilate there. For now, I'm going to keep the origins details vague pending further development on my part (in short, I'm winging it for now).

In a cursory reading, it would seem that "uplifting" was more of a method of creating useful but subordinate creatures (to humans, anyway). It certainly points the way down several not-so-good outcomes. Pretty thought-provoking stuff.
 
I'm winging it for now

whatever the "official" history, things have changed since then and are different elsewhere (if this ape comes from outside the imperium). just start off with something reasonable, nothing high-powered or fancy, and see if it goes anywhere and thus requires detailed development.

make him a scout, or a merchant scout, checking out how the humans do things. perhaps to report back to his clan leaders about where the humans are strongest and weakest ....
 
I think it's possible to reconcile all these sources if we accept three separate and distinct uplift attempts...


An excellent summation and an elegant solution to the quandary inadvertently created by different canonical sources written by different authors at different times. Thank you for it.

Your solution also "saves" Our Absent Friend Hans' intriguing Pong World idea. While the DGP materials had only mentioned gibbons and orangutans with later materials adding chimps, gorillas, and chimeras, your "Multiple uplifts across multiple eras" solution makes a multi-species Pongidae world or reservation much more plausible.
 
It's in that rarity "Rats & Cats", or "Solomani & Aslan" as it's more properly known.

Apparently, an uplift project aiming at "quaddies" began working on gibbons and orangutans early in the Interstellar War era. The original project was never finished, but SolCon scientists finished the job much later as part of an effort to improve/speed human evolution.

Only gibbons and orangutans were uplifted it seems, so there's Dr. Zaius but no Zira, Cornelius, or General Ursus.

Check T20...
Solomani uplifted Orcas, Dolphins, and Bears, and I remember.

And no, it wasn't ONLY Gibbons and Orangs - they're the only primates that were finished with uplift, and they achieved sentience in the wild, then fought a war with the confed.
 
Check T20...
Solomani uplifted Orcas, Dolphins, and Bears, and I remember.

Good call. Gateway to Destiny (written by MJD) has a nice section on uplifts and even the Gene War:

A number of species of Terran animal have been uplifted to full sentience, mostly by Solomani scientists during the Rule of Man era. As the Rule of Man collapsed into the Long Night, colonies founded with the assistance of these races went their own way, and in some cases the uplifted species came to be the dominant sentient race on a particular planet. In other cases, the uplifted beings created their own society away from humans, and occasionally truly integrated civilizations were created.

While the uplifted races retain the physical characteristics of their parent race, they now breed true, and are generally as intelligent as any human. Some social characteristics do carry over from the animal instincts of the uplifted species, but for the most part the uplifted races have fully developed societies adapted to their local conditions.

The Solomani are known to have also attempted genetic manipulation of humans beyond what was necessary to fit them to harsh environments. Reports of a "gene war" between humans and some sort of "supermen" persist, though even within the Solomani Confederation little is known about exactly what happened, outside of secret government archives. It is thought that the Solomani became nervous of any race that could replace or supplant humans in their normal environment – the so-called "Supermen," the Apes and the Ursa, among others – and took steps to eradicate them. These efforts were not 100% successful in all cases.
Gateway to Destiny 36​

Of Apes specifically, there's also this: "The Solomani uplifted a number of species of Terran ape to partial or full sentience. However, few communities survived the Long Night and thus ape colonies are very rare. Some may exist in a wild or primitive (Neolithic) state in undeveloped regions of some worlds" (36).
 
Good call. Gateway to Destiny (written by MJD) has a nice section on uplifts and even the Gene War:



Of Apes specifically, there's also this: "The Solomani uplifted a number of species of Terran ape to partial or full sentience. However, few communities survived the Long Night and thus ape colonies are very rare. Some may exist in a wild or primitive (Neolithic) state in undeveloped regions of some worlds" (36).
Dolphins appeared in JTAS, and are mentioned in the T20 Rulebook, in the Ursa writeup.
Orca are mentioned in the same Ursa writeup.
And the Ursa are explicitly Brown Bear uplifts.
 
Suddenly, I'm thinking of an eccentric group of Solomani professors who have an uplifted Orangutan whose smart enough to be one of them, has a doctorate, but prefers to be thought of a 'Just a stupid uplifted Ape,' yet reacts violently to being called a monkey.

Yes, it has inspired me to import UU and the Librarian from Discworld.
 
Although not quite for you are looking for, the 90's series Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys might give you some ideas.
 
Wow! I've never heard of that one...got to check it out.

I was thinking of naming my NPC Gorilla Urko ("That's GENERAL Urko to you, human!") but that might be a bit too obvious...:)
 
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