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G-R-R-R URPS

The publishing of Gurps 4E books is supposedly back on schedule now. That means 1 new book every other month. Considering SJG track record of constantly not being able to meet their publishing dates I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for GT: Interstellar Wars to show up in January.

Also, while they have already stated that they are working on High-Tech (TL4-7) they still refuse to even comment on whether or not they are even working on Ultra-Tech. I personally prefer 4E to 3E, but it's going to be a few years even if SJG sticks to their schedule before you should expect all of the G4E books you need for Traveller to be available.
 
If GT isn't converted to 4e, even by pdf, and no new 3e GT material is to be published, doesn't that make GT a dead game line? ;)
 
Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
If GT isn't converted to 4e, even by pdf, and no new 3e GT material is to be published, doesn't that make GT a dead game line? ;)
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It isn't dead, it's only resting.
 
>If GT isn't converted to 4e, even by pdf, and no
>new 3e GT material is to be published, doesn't
>that make GT a dead game line?

1) Who said GT will never be converted to 4e?
2) Who said no new 3e material is to be published?

Loren Wiseman
www.lorenwiseman.com
www.irbw.com
 
Originally posted by Seanr451:
Jon F. Zeigler did. ...
He IS a SJ Games employee.
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Yes, but you conveniently ignored two other parts of his statements:
1) He is not in the know, so he could be wrong.
2) Loren is the line editor for all things GURPS Traveller.

So, regardless of exact employment status, Loren is indeed the one who will best know the status of GURPS Traveller, whether IW or 1120.
 
Originally posted by Seanr451:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LKW:
1) Who said GT will never be converted to 4e?
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Jon F. Zeigler did.</font>[/QUOTE]Actually, what he said was that he didn't know of any plans to do so. That doesn't mean it won't be converted, it just means he doesn't know of specific plans to do so (which may mean no decision has been made, or that he's just not in the know).

Given SJGs production hiccups, I wouldn't bet on a 4e GURPS Traveller particularly soon, but the definitive sign of no more GT books will be if SJG drops the license.
 
Originally posted by daryen:
Yes, but you conveniently ignored two other parts of his statements:
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I wasn't ignoring anything. I specifically included a link to his post so that the entire statement would be available. If I wanted to do the US media thing, which is to quote someone out of context, I wouldn't have included a link to his post.

The question was; "Who said GT will never be converted to 4e?"

And I answered; "Jon Ziegler, an SJ Games employee."

Now if LKW wants to come back and say; "Well, he was wrong." or "We've changed our minds." or "Something else entirely." Then hey, great! But please don't jump on me like I did something wrong, because I didn't. He asked a question, I answered the question, and I included a link to the post I quoted.

Yes I am aware that LKW is the Traveller guy for SJ Games.

IMHO SJ Games can't even publish the books that need to be published, much less take the time to publish Traveller books. For example, all you have to do right now is read the SJ Games forum and you can see where they are frying some guy cause he's daring to say something on this very subject. (And because they think he's me, which I find hilarious.)
 
Originally posted by Seanr451:
The question was; "Who said GT will never be converted to 4e?"

And I answered; "Jon Ziegler, an SJ Games employee."
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As Anthony mentioned above, Jon said no such thing. He said that he knew of no plans. That is quite different that never will be done.

Now if LKW wants to come back and say; "Well, he was wrong." or "We've changed our minds." or "Something else entirely." Then hey, great! But please don't jump on me like I did something wrong, because I didn't. He asked a question, I answered the question, and I included a link to the post I quoted.
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First, I wasn't "jumping on you". I was merely trying to point out that you were interpreting his comments wrong.

Second, LKW has said things (probably too much in the opinion of SJG) on this subject in this thread. (Particularly page 3.)

Look, I am also quite guilty for questioning SJG's motives and intentions for GURPS Traveller. I have probably made stronger statements than you have, which I have had to eat. I am not trying to sling arrows at you. I am just trying to say that GURPS Traveller is not necessarily doomed; SJG has not abandoned it at this time.

Again referring to Anthony, just watch SJG's Traveller license. If it lapses, then GT is done. Until then, however, its future has hope. Besides, it isn't like SJG is completely ignoring Traveller. They are working on IW, which will eventually be released. And they still continue to support the online JTAS.
 
>just watch SJG's Traveller license. If it
>lapses, then GT is done. Until then, however,
>its future has hope.

I suppose it will reassure some of you to mention that the GT license has been renewed. Quite some time ago.


I think I mentioned this two or three years ago when a rumor was circulating that the license was due to expire . . . the original license language is such that renewal is automatic provided certain requirements are met and neither side exercises their option to end the deal.
 
Originally posted by Seanr451:
Jon F. Zeigler did. Right here: "As far as I know, there are no plans to do a "generic" Traveller core book for GURPS Fourth Edition."

He IS a SJ Games employee.
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I didn't say there would be no more new material. I said I didn't know of any plans for new material. In any case, I haven't been on the SJG payroll in over a year, so I'm really speculating on not a whole lot more information than anyone else might have.

In fact, as it appears the license has been renewed, I would be surprised if there wasn't a Fourth Edition update published at some point. I have no idea what that update might look like, of course. PDF? Big hardbound book? Your guess is as good as mine, at least until and unless I sign up to write part of it.

I'm suddenly reminded, of course, why it's a good policy to never say anything in public on such matters.
 
Perhaps, here is a good place to introduce/announce GT: Psionic Institutes that will be appearing on e23 soon. I have always thought of this board as a better way to reach the larger Traveller community and I am not entirely sure why there really needs to be a separate SJG board, save it does tend to get more direct answers...
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Originally posted by JFZeigler:
I'm suddenly reminded, of course, why it's a good policy to never say anything in public on such matters.
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Right. Because it makes so much more sense to do what SJ Games does. Leave your customers in the dark and wondering if you're ever going to publish anything EVER.

That's not what other companies do. I can call just about any company in the book and they're more than happy to tell me all about their new and upcoming products, but not SJG. SJG has to be all secretive. You know why that it? Because when you guys screw-up and end up not being able to publish a book at all (or it gets delayed for 2 years aka Vorkosigan) it makes it easier to hide your incompetence if the customers never even knew the book was coming out at all.
 
Originally posted by Seanr451:
I can call just about any company in the book and they're more than happy to tell me all about their new and upcoming products, but not SJG. SJG has to be all secretive. You know why that it? Because when you guys screw-up and end up not being able to publish a book at all (or it gets delayed for 2 years aka Vorkosigan) it makes it easier to hide your incompetence if the customers never even knew the book was coming out at all.
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Wow... I'm kinda amazed that your Sociability score isn't negative...


Hans
 
Originally posted by Seanr451:
Right. Because it makes so much more sense to do what SJ Games does. Leave your customers in the dark and wondering if you're ever going to publish anything EVER.

That's not what other companies do. I can call just about any company in the book and they're more than happy to tell me all about their new and upcoming products, but not SJG. SJG has to be all secretive. You know why that it? Because when you guys screw-up and end up not being able to publish a book at all (or it gets delayed for 2 years aka Vorkosigan) it makes it easier to hide your incompetence if the customers never even knew the book was coming out at all.
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A bit harsh with a touch more vitriol than I prefer but I've been a SJG fan for years and years and even I found myself nodding in agreement with this sentiment.
 
Originally posted by Seanr451:
Right. Because it makes so much more sense to do what SJ Games does. Leave your customers in the dark and wondering if you're ever going to publish anything EVER.

That's not what other companies do. I can call just about any company in the book and they're more than happy to tell me all about their new and upcoming products, but not SJG. SJG has to be all secretive. You know why that it? Because when you guys screw-up and end up not being able to publish a book at all (or it gets delayed for 2 years aka Vorkosigan) it makes it easier to hide your incompetence if the customers never even knew the book was coming out at all.
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Ironic because QLI here has done just what you are wanting and look at the result. One book printed per year and multiple books announced now 6 months to 1+ years overdue; without releasing a new edition of their core rules. Take a look at the FFE updates and the threads about the MT cd-rom then check when the last reprint came out and when the MT cd-rom finally was released.

I'd much rather have the fairly regular updates and communication with more specific info closer to publication SJG usually has than what say Palladium Books does, gush at the first chance and then have books delayed 2 to 10+ years or just plain never come out.

Seems SJG is damned if they do damned if they don't in your case. Also seems like no game company would be able to meet your standards. Certainly no company that currently makes Traveller products.

- Casey, still a Knight five months after Moot subscription ended

(edit: deleted irrelevant line)
 
Originally posted by Casey:
Seems SJG is damned if they do damned if they don't in your case. Also seems like no game company would be able to meet your standards. Certainly no company that currently makes Traveller products.
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That's a great excuse. "Everyone else is screwing up too, so when we do it it isn't so bad."
 
Ignoring the question of whether or not it's screwing up to not tell you what you want to know, 'everyone else is screwing up to' is certainly a reasonable argument for why you shouldn't single any given company out for criticism.
 
Originally posted by Anthony:
Ignoring the question of whether or not it's screwing up to not tell you what you want to know, 'everyone else is screwing up to' is certainly a reasonable argument for why you shouldn't single any given company out for criticism.
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My criticism isn't valid because I'm not applying it to every company in the world? Please. SJG is the only company that makes Gurps books so SJG is the company that I follow. And it's the only company that screws up so often and completely.
 
Clearly, you ignore the rest of the hobby totally, if you think SJG is unusual in the number of problems it has. To take a nice nearby example, how many dramatically missed deadlines have there been for T20 products?
 
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