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G-R-R-R URPS

I take "I'm not involved in the daily workings at SJ Games" to mean exactly that. LKW is the current Traveller guru working for SJG and the line editor. He's just AFAIK no longer a full-time employee there. Jon stepped down as line editor some time ago (link).

It could be months away because as LKW points out, even if (and that's making an assumption) it just went to the printer, it can and does takes months for a RPG book to be printed, even if everything goes along smoothly. There're plenty of things that can delay printing (esp. a RPG book), not just printer foul-ups.
 
At least nowadays SJG can't use the excuse that they have too much stuff on the go. They seem to be down to one release of anything per month now. ;)
 
I can understand that finishing up that book must be delayed as the Core supplements of the GURPS line need to be established but they could always go the route of making GT the same product as GURPS Space. True, it would have a lot of background but conversely they could write up all the exotic rules for far Future milieus (default GT) or fantastic milieus (ROM) or the distant past (Antiquity).

I am seriously disappointed with evil Stevie, as I think, he knows that much of Traveller fandom waiting for this product it would have better to announce later and bring it in earlier therefore make everyone happy. As it stands now, I have an entire shipment from Amazon being held up because of IW.

All I can say...is it had better be good. I wonder why Loren & Jon left...more cutbacks at SJG?
 
So, Sigg, are they being timed then for a joint release? It would be logical as the that way most newbies could buy both products and get a background to the G:S rules. So, they may even push IW to December to allow time for G:S to enter the market.

Let's hope they are adding goodies that we Traveller fanatics have been demanding.
 
If they get IW out of the door in October then perhaps we'll see a November/joint release for GS.

My gut feeling is that GS will slip to December/January :(
 
Originally posted by kafka47:
I am seriously disappointed with evil Stevie, as I think, he knows that much of Traveller fandom waiting for this product it would have better to announce later and bring it in earlier therefore make everyone happy. As it stands now, I have an entire shipment from Amazon being held up because of IW.
GT:IW was announced as being in the works a long time ago, partially to support the idea of 4e. Personally I'd prefer semi-regular updates on the product's progress than no updates at all. This way at least I can plan ahead.

As for your Amazon order IIRC Amazon allows you to cancel an item from an order or change it to ship items when available. If not, just cancel the whole order, reorder the other items, and put GT:IW on another order or save it for later.

Personally I've yet to get 4e, partially due to the chargen program only recently being released, mainly due to no need to run or play a Gurps game right now.

All I can say...is it had better be good. I wonder why Loren & Jon left...more cutbacks at SJG?
I'm not more than a customer of SJG but it looked more like passing hats around than cutbacks. You'll note that both of them still write for SJG and LKW is the GT line editor again.

As I'm already speculating here I'm dropping this part of the thread.

As always, HTH and YMMV.

- Casey just looking for One Divine Hammer
 
GT:IW is now slated for a November release.

I just hope Andy Hackard has nothing to do with it, I hate having to cover over his name in GURPS products I buy.
 
JCD - you're the same guy from the SJGforums that claims that Andrew Hackard is singlehandedly responsible for "massive errors" (funny, I don't see any in any books he's edited) in GURPS books aren't you?

I've had a lot of run-ins with people at SJG in the past - Andrew too - but you are definitely flat-out wrong in blaming him for these supposed errors, and IIRC most other readers on that forum would agree. Frankly, if you got flak from him or anyone else on the SJG boards then you certainly deserved it based on your attitude there, from what I saw of you. I'm certainly not particularly enamored with the guy myself for various reasons, but I think you really are being an idiot over that.

And please ditch the sig. The fact that you're whining about him both in your post and in the sig on a totally unrelated discussion board just shows how immature you are.

If you want to get off on the right foot here then by all means talk about GURPS Traveller. Just leave your baggage out of this, most people here do not know or care about how you were treated on other boards.
 
Stick to GURPS Traveller and I won't be offended.

Get over yourself though. You were wrong, your criticisms were unfounded, you didn't get any sympathisers for your cause, and Andrew was in the end right to boot you. I mean, what exactly do you think you're going to achieve by wearing a badge saying "I got booted from another company's board and I'm proud of it"? You're not going to put anyone off going there. If you're remotely mature, get the chip off your shoulder and leave that behind.

Andrew doesn't even read these boards, what do you think you're achieving by criticising him here?

Oh and BTW, don't think these boards are unmoderated. See that 'report post' button with the whistle icon? That sends your post to Hunter Gordon - he's the guy that runs this whole site, and he'd deal with the reported post according to the circumstances. Hopefully, nobody here will see cause to use it in your case, but that's entirely up to you.
 
Originally posted by J.C.D.:
The sig stays. If it offends you, don't read my posts.
Naturally, I do not run this board, but your current sig, "SJG forums: A great board ruined by one worthless excuse for a moderator." is a personal attack, and, frankly, does not belong on this board.
 
@ malefant: I slammed hackard on SJG because he insists on attacking and insulting people who have been banned and can't defend themselves. I find this cowardly and despicable and mentioned it.

I also busted on him for his editing because he's so quick to attck, denigrate and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with him.


@ rainofsteel. Hey, why not make a big fuss over my sig and get me banned or get someone to change it, at which point I will not post here anymore? I don't want peopel telling me to use the SJG forums and am making it clear that I don't and why. otherwise people would always be like "well, why not use the SJG forums?"

I mean it, if you're so bent over me making it clear I can't and won't use the SJG boards due to hackard and his despicable and cowardly behavior, be sure to push that little whistle icon and get me banned here before I start to like it.

Either that or drop it. It's not like this place is swimming in posters anyway, but hey if tyou want to drive one off go ahead.
 
Originally posted by J.C.D.:
[QB] @ malefant: I slammed hackard on SJG because he insists on attacking and insulting people who have been banned and can't defend themselves. I find this cowardly and despicable and mentioned it.

I also busted on him for his editing because he's so quick to attck, denigrate and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with him.
I find it highly amusing that you accuse Andrew of being cowardly for attacking and insulting people who have been banned and can't defend themselves, when that is exactly what you are doing to him here (since he's not on this board). Who's being 'cowardly' exactly? Hypocritical much?

Oh yeah, and you mis-spelt 'attack'
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And there's nothing wrong with his editing. Especially given that even the worst edited GURPS book is better edited than about 90% of the stuff on the market.

Look, I've been where you are now, with someone else at SJG. I know for a fact it ain't a pretty place to be, you end up making a lot of enemies and pissing off a lot of people, and frankly you end up looking like a complete ⌧. You're on a new board now, you have a golden opportunity to leave that behind and move on and show that you aren't the idiot that you were on the previous board. If you've got any sense you'll take a deep breath, swallow your pride and take that opportunity.

I don't want peopel telling me to use the SJG forums and am making it clear that I don't and why. otherwise people would always be like "well, why not use the SJG forums?"
Maybe I should point out something to you here. In case you hadn't noticed, there's not an awful lot of traffic on this GT board, because most people here are into the other version of Traveller. It was put up as a courtesy by Hunter so that people could talk about GT if they wanted to. Unfortunately for you, most of the GT fans are over on the SJG JTAS boards or the SJG GT forum. So if you come here asking questions about GT, then you may not get a reply.

Of course, the best place to ask would be on the JTAS boards or on the SJG forum, but you conveniently burned your bridges there by pissing everyone off and getting yourself banned from it. Sucks to be you I guess.


I mean it, if you're so bent over me making it clear I can't and won't use the SJG boards due to hackard and his despicable and cowardly behavior, be sure to push that little whistle icon and get me banned here before I start to like it.
Oh, I'm quite sure he will.

As it is, I wouldn't get too comfortable here if I were you, if you keep this attitude up.

Of course, you could just as easily not mention it at all, and then if someone does direct you there say "sorry, I had a disagreement with one of the moderators there and can't do that" and leave it at that. Makes you look like less of a ⌧.

Either that or drop it. It's not like this place is swimming in posters anyway, but hey if tyou want to drive one off go ahead.
Well, you know where the door is.

Unless of course, you want to swallow your ridiculous attitude, leave your baggage at the door, and just calm down and ask your GT questions and hope that someone here knows the answers. But right now you're not making any friends or getting any sympathy. The choice is yours.

All you're doing is bitching about Andrew behind his back to people who mostly don't have a clue what you're on about, in a forum where he can't defend himself. That is exactly what claim to find so 'cowardly and despicable' about Andrew's behaviour. Drop the sig, and you avoid getting peoples' backs up here who do know something about the situation, and you also avoid looking like an guy who won't let go of his issues from outside this board. The sig is kinda like you walking round with an offensive t-shirt - it somewhat detracts from any points you're making.

Had you first posted your questions here without the attacks on Andrew, and left it at that without the sig or the attitude, I can guarantee you that you wouldn't be in this situation now.
 
Originally posted by J.C.D.:
It's not like this place is swimming in posters anyway, but hey if tyou want to drive one off go ahead.
So you've been here all of a couple days, made a few posts and you're the authority on the posting traffic and mores of the board?

You need to mellow out. I also think your sig comes off as an attack, and warranted or not, it is inappropriate and juvenial. You've got a window of grace here since Hunter seems busy or just hasn't seen this yet, and so far nobody is reporting it apparently. So change it. It's just that easy. No one is saying you should be censored, just conduct yourself with the kind of maturity and morality you expected and found lacking in your antagonist, don't ape it here.

IF it comes to driving off ONE bad poster for the sake of all the MANY then yes, that seems a good solution. This is Hunter's house. Respect that, and act as his guest, not some party crasher. We do want this to be a place where all can post about Traveller without hostility. It still happens, too often and more so as the number of posters grows, but that doesn't mean I for one welcome more of it.
 
Sorry, mal, I've swallowed a little too much, no more room. I wonder if whoever gets me banned here will feel a great sense of triumph over it.
 
Originally posted by J.C.D.:
Sorry, mal, I've swallowed a little too much, no more room. I wonder if whoever gets me banned here will feel a great sense of triumph over it.
I doubt it. Would you feel a sense of triumph in being banned?

Like you said you came here to be away from the kind of stuff you don't like. But some of it tracked in on your shoes. It's still not too late to wipe them off and leave that outside.
 
Originally posted by J.C.D.:
Sorry, mal, I've swallowed a little too much, no more room. I wonder if whoever gets me banned here will feel a great sense of triumph over it.
No, it just means you were given plenty of chances to change your attitude - like you were on the SJG board - and you continued to charge on regardless like a bull in a china shop til someone put you down and gave you the boot. What are you going to do, martyr yourself on a new board because you're too damn stubborn to just shut up about your issues from another board? Because that's where this is going, and if that's the case you can save everyone a lot of hassle here by just walking away and never coming back before you are removed in a more undignified manner. How would getting the boot from here help you? Where would you go to get your questions answered then?

Drop the attitude. It's as simple as that, and it is entirely within your power to do.
 
Mal, either go whining to a mod and get me banned, just ignore my messages altogether or stop bugging me. Make up your mind and do one.


BTW, some users said they liked my posts, and di not feel my banning was justified.
 
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