Dulinor in GURPS.
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Parmasson,
In GURPS, Dulinor is dead. Sure, much like Elvis, there are occasional Dulinor sightings in widely separated locations, but Dulinor is dead.
Simply put:
In the OTL, Dulinor arrives at Capital aboard Sargon on 131-1116 and shuttles down. On 132-1116m he struts into the Octagon and kills Strephon's double(1), Iolanthe, Ciencia, and an Alsan ambassador.
In the ATL, Dulinor arrives at Capital aboard Sargon on 131-1116, begins to shuttle down, and is blown into a fine puree by several bombs detonating in the shuttle's luggage hold. Dulinor never gets closer to Strephon than orbit.
Have fun,
Bill
1 - Orignally, Dulinor did kill Strephon and the Real Strephon was a hoaxster like Pugachev. Fan outcry 'ret-conned' that version and by the release of Arrival Vengence the Real Strephon really was the real Strephon.
In GURPS, Dulinor is dead. Sure, much like Elvis, there are occasional Dulinor sightings in widely separated locations, but Dulinor is dead.
Simply put:
In the OTL, Dulinor arrives at Capital aboard Sargon on 131-1116 and shuttles down. On 132-1116m he struts into the Octagon and kills Strephon's double(1), Iolanthe, Ciencia, and an Alsan ambassador.
In the ATL, Dulinor arrives at Capital aboard Sargon on 131-1116, begins to shuttle down, and is blown into a fine puree by several bombs detonating in the shuttle's luggage hold. Dulinor never gets closer to Strephon than orbit.
Have fun,
Bill
1 - Orignally, Dulinor did kill Strephon and the Real Strephon was a hoaxster like Pugachev. Fan outcry 'ret-conned' that version and by the release of Arrival Vengence the Real Strephon really was the real Strephon.
Maybe someone realized if the imperium fell, as it did after strephon was killed it would create a power vaccuum that would attract various aliens to come in and fill it. So if you have a war that shatters the imperium you have the goddam zhoads coming in with their "Thik right or else!" regime, the vargs stealing everything that isn't nailed down, the aslan coming in and honoring you by determing your land is fit for them to occupy and the k'kree coming in and giving you a choiuce between vegeatianism or death.
Bad all around, to have a war that collpases the imperium, I admit that even tho i don't like the imperium.
Bad all around, to have a war that collpases the imperium, I admit that even tho i don't like the imperium.
mike wightman
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They'd be classed as "true sons" and have to be legally declared and recognised to have a right of inheritance.
Also worth considering is that the clones would have different memories and personalities to the original - unless Dulinor has access to a very high TL memory transfer device
Isis was the designated heir, I can't imagine she'd be too happy if a "true" sibling appeared from the closet and proclaimed their "right" to the title.
Perhaps she would be part of the conspiracy to remove the clones - if any existed in the first place
daryen
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Unfortunately, the OTU is massively inconsistent on the use of clones.
First, there is no brain taping, so all clones are independent individuals. Also, there are no forced growth tanks, so the clones much age normally. If the clone is made after birth (most likely when the donor is an adult), you end up with a "true son/daughter", not just a "clone". To get clones like Strephon had, they have to be made at the birth of the donor.
Second, cloning of the Emporer/nobles wasn't introduced until GDW was flailing around trying to make Strephon not dead after all. Because if its retroactive introduction into the storyline, it has never been used in a consistent basis. For all of its supposed use, we only know of two occurances: Strephon's clone(s) and Norris' true daughter Seldrian.
So, trying to figure out where other clones may be stashed is an impossible job. They are wherever a writer needs them, but no where else.
In other words, it's quite possible that there are/were clones of Dulinor around. But Isis was still the legal heir. You could, I suppose, run a plotline where a clone claims to be the original and challenges her. That could be fun.
As for the absence of brain taping and accelerated growth, all I can really say is "yay!". Brain taping, in particular, is the kind of "science" we can well do without in Traveller.
On the other hand, given that we tend to assume that Imperial technology is capable of significant regeneration of damaged tissues, at least some degree of accelerated growth must be possible. Would it be possible to grow a whole human? It's up to you. What sinister plots could be hatched involving such an entity? Once again, it's up to how evil your imagination is...
If you are interested in preserving the logic of the setting, it might be better not to allow "whole person" accelerated growth. But "single organ" growth is something else.
Clearly, Isis was part of a larger plot against her very own father nonetheless.
I could just see how Dulinor's clones were given a cursory mind-wipe and then dumped to the four corners of the Imperium. Groveling and begging for change raging against the SYSTEM. Everyone thinking what a moron until he comes into contact with a IG cell.
I could just see how Dulinor's clones were given a cursory mind-wipe and then dumped to the four corners of the Imperium. Groveling and begging for change raging against the SYSTEM. Everyone thinking what a moron until he comes into contact with a IG cell.
daryen
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I have to agree with that conclusion. She was most likely in on the plot to kill Dulinor, and, at the very least, had to be a passive participant.
As for Dulinor's clones, I disagree. You kill them all. Be merciful, be quick. But they must all die. You can't leave such wildcards running around.
Kafka,
Bingo, give the man a cigar!
I broached this with Hans Rancke-Madsen in the recent 'GURPS Timeline' thread. Isis arrives at Capital in late 1116; during the last 5 days of that year IIRC, after having already spent 'some time' as TNS puts it with Norris somewhere in the Core Sector.
Seeing as Dullie was pureed on 131-1116, when did Isis begin her trip to Capital?
Have fun.
Bill
Interesting. Also odd as I vaguely recall something about Isis being splattered with rotten fruit during her first speaking engagement after taking the reigns. Does anyone know where I might have read this? Survival Margin maybe? Where ever it was I got the destinct impression she had no stomach nor will for politics. Odd then for her to have been a core conspirator in the death of her father. Still I'm not a canonmonger nor particularly grognardy for any system other than TNE, so I'm probably waaaaaay off base.....
So what is the truth about Isis?
So what is the truth about Isis?
Badbru,
You're correct, the incident described was in Survivla Margin. Isis was on a war bonds type speaking tour - Let's whip the Kinslayer! - and got roughly handled at a shipyard. Besides being heckled, she was pelted with food and her security staff had to whisk her away.
Trouble is, SM is part of the OTL! It's a post-Assassination, GDW MegaTraveller product.
The point you bring up regarding Isis' seeming lack of political skills or stomach for political skills is a valid one however. In the OTL, the only time we see Isis 'act' as Dulinor's heir is in this shipyard fiasco and she doesn't come off too well. (Of course, her Daddy's last political act was trying to stare down a thresher so it may be genetic!
) All the other references to Isis simply repeat the same stuff; she's stunningly beautiful, she's been Ciencia's best pal since childhood (they share a birthday), and she's a bit of a social butterfly.In the ATL, she either seems to be made of sterner stuff or - very importantly to my mind - in the ATL the political situation is more to her liking.
Look at it from this angle; the Isis we see in in the OTL is out on a speaking tour to bolster support for an insane war which is killing billions across the Imperium tha her father started when he shot her best friend and her best friend's parents. I hardly think Isis was a co-conspirator in the OTL as that would mean acquiescing to the murder of her closest friend since childhood.
So, it may be that OTL Isis doesn't have the stomach or will to support Dulinor's War while the ATL Isis does have the stomch and will to support the prevention of Dulinor's War.
Who knows? LKW and SJG aren't telling, so your guesses is as valid as anyone elses!
Here's something to mull over; as the Archduchess of Deneb, Isis needs to provide for an heir... insert evil laughter here
Have fun,
Bill
mike wightman
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Archduchess of Deneb?
Why do you think she and Norris had that little rendezvous
Bit of a freudian slip there Bill
Ilelish
Why do you think she and Norris had that little rendezvous
Bit of a freudian slip there Bill
Ilelish
mike wightman
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Why not?
Hmmmm... the plot thickens. Perhaps some kind of connection between Dulinor, Norris and Strephon. Could add a whole new spin as to why Dulinor might shoot Strephon in the OTU and the explosion that kills Dulinor in GT. Perhaps Norris does not care for pretty naval advisors if you know what I mean.
For all we know Strephon could have been something of a playboy.
For all we know Strephon could have been something of a playboy.
