Droyne Planets

[Timerover51]

Is there a list of Droyne planets available anywhere? The Droyne Alien module shows two Droyne planets in the Daibei Sector and two in the Ilelish sector. I cannot figure out which planets those are.

 

[HiverLord]

I don't know of any such list (and would be interested in one), but in the T20, Gateway to Destiny, sourcebook, there is a single Droyne-ruled world listed. (I don't recall seeing much detail on it in the wiki and haven't checked Travellermap yet.)

TUBROYLLUFOTYUSK/No Return/Crucis Margin
2623 A674A99-E In 200 Oy M0V

A short note in the Crucis Margin, Delta Quadrant notes states:
"...the capability to influence local affairs is not known." [There are a number of independent planets and small states in the area, as it is some distance from the 3I.]

There is a half-page (about one column) write-up of this Oytrip on p. 64 of this sourcebook, as well.

Sorry, I don't know anything about the Daibei Sector.

And of course there are the well-known Andory and Candory in the Marches.

Hope this helps someone a little.

 

[GypsyComet]

The Traveller Map lists the following
:
Ilelish
2410 Rayaloybex B546634-9 Ag Ni Droy7
1311 Murda D766ABD-9 Hi Ga Pz Chir2
2711 Zhiphar B668976-9 Hi Pr Chir6
1923 Mulyosh A99A411-E Ni Wa Droy9
1132 Copyn B5748BB-A Pa Ph Pi Droy6

Daibei
2323 Zenone C5667AC-8 Ag Ri Droy6
1536 Pierson C565879-9 Ri Pa Ph Droy8

 

[Timerover51]

The Traveller Map lists the following
:
Ilelish
2410 Rayaloybex B546634-9 Ag Ni Droy7
1311 Murda D766ABD-9 Hi Ga Pz Chir2
2711 Zhiphar B668976-9 Hi Pr Chir6
1923 Mulyosh A99A411-E Ni Wa Droy9
1132 Copyn B5748BB-A Pa Ph Pi Droy6

Daibei
2323 Zenone C5667AC-8 Ag Ri Droy6
1536 Pierson C565879-9 Ri Pa Ph Droy8

Thanks very much for that information. I guess I need to go over the Traveller Map more and get used to working with it.

 

[HiverLord]

I guess I need to go over the Traveller Map more and get used to working with it.

If I were any good with it, I would have done the search myself (thanks, GypsyComet!). RL interfered with available time once again (at least this AM; had a bunch of teens running around the house today. Time for a nap. :rofl

 

[Timerover51]

If I were any good with it, I would have done the search myself (thanks, GypsyComet!). RL interfered with available time once again (at least this AM; had a bunch of teens running around the house today. Time for a nap. :rofl

My problem is getting it to work with Safari. It sorts of works with FireFox for the Mac, but blanks out a lot. Just get a map with a checkerboard of grey and black boxes.

 

[aramis]

My problem is getting it to work with Safari. It sorts of works with FireFox for the Mac, but blanks out a lot. Just get a map with a checkerboard of grey and black boxes.

Safari is remarkably poor. Firefox or chrome, you need to ensure javascript is on, and updated.

I use a mac, but I abandoned safari years ago.

 

[GypsyComet]

Which is fascinating, given that I'm using an old version of Safari myself. There was a period about six months ago when the site was not loading well for me, but I haven't had a problem since.

 

[inexorabletash]

Unless a bug creeps in, it works fine with Safari. And Firefox. And Chrome. And IE8+. (I mainly use Chrome myself, but I'm a bit biased by my day job.)

Timerover has reported problems before which are consistent with some changed browser setting he's not able to identify, and did not persevere to track them down. Happy to try and help further via PM.

That said, searching for worlds by allegiance or trade code isn't a feature right now. But you can pull up the raw data and use other search tools e.g. just "Find" in a browser when viewing a sector data file.

EDIT: You'll only see the checkerboard background if JavaScript is disabled in your browser. But given that half the 'net will also be broken, I figured that was fairly obvious.

 

[agorski]

Here's a few more:

Spinward Marches 236 Andor C695735-9 (Five Sisters 206)
Spinward Marches 336 Candory C593634-8 (Five Sisters 206)
Deneb 1111 Zeen D6536B6-6 (Inar 301)
Trojan Reach 3140 Auitawry A5668XA-F (Binary 710)

 

[inexorabletash]

These are marked "DroyW' (~100% of the population is Droyne) in the T5SS dataset:

Dagu 1633 Anomaly C9E7877-9
Delp 0202 Ewoin E66487A-5
Dene 1111 Zeen D6536B6-6
Dias 1816 Umorphutwyo C5507CB-8
Gush 1924 Toyuysk D78789D-7
Gvur 2005 Tanga B9C56BB-9
Hint 1235 Yoryunssoy E554772-4
Mass 2724 Baetrin B68859A-B
Spin 0236 Andor C695735-9
Spin 0336 Candory C593634-8
Troj 3140 Auitawry A56689A-F
Verg 1124 Gunahami B561774-A
Zaru 2730 Usyupkut A886554-C
Ziaf 1839 Tetayask A4368C7-E

These have a fraction of Droyne population > 5% (Droy5 = ~50% Droyne, etc):

Daib 2323 Zenone C5667AC-8 Droy6
Daib 1536 Pierson C565879-9 Droy8
Empt 1728 MUGAMA E5539AB-4 Droy2
Gush 1227 Iest C431644-A Droy3
Ilel 2410 Rayaloybex B546634-9 Droy7
Ilel 1923 Mulyosh A99A411-E Droy9
Ilel 1132 Copyn B5748BB-A Droy6
Ley 1304 Ishkad C754776-3 Droy4
Ley 1830 Kuchenwald D757887-1 Droy6
Magy 3212 Sterchi B697663-A Droy5
Mass 0327 Droyna Four A588844-B Droy5
Olde 0513 Yeroltoy BA55763-A Droy9
Reft 2108 Zamoran B674675-A Droy4
Reft 0112 Banskonno A582444-C Droy6
Spin 0412 Sansibar B200310-A Droy4
Troj 3013 Ayldem A540784-D Droy7
Zaru 0140 Askyat B665835-A Droy3

In legacy SEC files, the thing to search for would be allegiance = Dr or trade codes Dw or D0 ... D9 or D:0 ... D:9. From a quick scan of the files I have, authors have done a decent job of increasing the density closer to the Marches;

 

[Timerover51]

Unless a bug creeps in, it works fine with Safari. And Firefox. And Chrome. And IE8+. (I mainly use Chrome myself, but I'm a bit biased by my day job.)

Timerover has reported problems before which are consistent with some changed browser setting he's not able to identify, and did not persevere to track them down. Happy to try and help further via PM.

That said, searching for worlds by allegiance or trade code isn't a feature right now. But you can pull up the raw data and use other search tools e.g. just "Find" in a browser when viewing a sector data file.

EDIT: You'll only see the checkerboard background if JavaScript is disabled in your browser. But given that half the 'net will also be broken, I figured that was fairly obvious.

Prior to this, I never really had a reason to try to figure out the Traveller Map. I have updated my JavaScript so that I can use an editor for the Civilization 3 Computer game that a guy has worked up for the Mac. I will have to see how it works, now, but it will run on FireFox. It may also depend on the fact that I am not using the most recent version of Safari or the Mac OS, as I need to be able to run some of my older software.

My main thing now is to determine the name and location of the Droyne and Chirper worlds that appear back cover of the Droyne Alien Module 5.

Thanks very much for the data on the Droyne planets, especially as the two in the Daibei Sector should work nicely for a Droyne character that I am working up, where the Sport needs some familiarity with humans.

I will start going through the map, looking for Chirper planets next. I have Research Station Gamma, so I know about the ones on Vanejen.

 

[rancke]

These have a fraction of Droyne population > 5% (Droy5 = ~50% Droyne, etc):

Daib 2323 Zenone C5667AC-8 Droy6
Daib 1536 Pierson C565879-9 Droy8
Empt 1728 MUGAMA E5539AB-4 Droy2
Gush 1227 Iest C431644-A Droy3
Ilel 2410 Rayaloybex B546634-9 Droy7
Ilel 1923 Mulyosh A99A411-E Droy9
Ilel 1132 Copyn B5748BB-A Droy6
Ley 1304 Ishkad C754776-3 Droy4
Ley 1830 Kuchenwald D757887-1 Droy6
Magy 3212 Sterchi B697663-A Droy5
Mass 0327 Droyna Four A588844-B Droy5
Olde 0513 Yeroltoy BA55763-A Droy9
Reft 2108 Zamoran B674675-A Droy4
Reft 0112 Banskonno A582444-C Droy6
Spin 0412 Sansibar B200310-A Droy4
Troj 3013 Ayldem A540784-D Droy7
Zaru 0140 Askyat B665835-A Droy3

There's at least one Droyne population missing. According to The Regency Sourcebook, p. 46, between 10 and 19% of the population of Spirelle (Spinward Marches 1927) are Droyne (D1 notation). That would be between 70 and 133 million, making for a very interesting feature for an Imperial world.


Hans

 

[GypsyComet]

A couple possibilities for Spirelle:

The Regency Sourcebook listing is 95 years in the future, so either they were already there but below the 10% reporting threshold, or some large population from elsewhere migrated. That's a lot of migration, so I would favor option 1.

 

[rancke]

A couple possibilities for Spirelle:

The Regency Sourcebook listing is 95 years in the future, so either they were already there but below the 10% reporting threshold, or some large population from elsewhere migrated. That's a lot of migration, so I would favor option 1.

The reporting threshhold is 1%. 1-9% would result in a notation of D0.

And the RS listings are for 1201 and for 1117, 12 years in the future. The one for 1117 is the one I based my comment on. While I can see humans settling on a world with Droyne already present back in the 1st Century and multiplying until they outnumbered the Droyne, I can't quite see humans importing 133 million Droyne in 12 years and setting them up in separate enclaves. Also, while SMC doesn't have alien component notations, it does have population multipliers, which shows the the population of Spirelle were 700 million as early as 1112. That would mean that 570 million humans in 1105 had imported 133 million Droyne in 7 years.

Incidentally, the 1201 listing is the same D1, but the total population has increased from 700 million to 3 billion, which means the Droyne population has increased from 19% of 700 million to 10% of 3 billion at a minimum . That would be from 133 million to 300 million ((larger increases are possible, from 10% of 700 million to 19% of 3 billion :smirk). And the humans would have increased from 570 million to 2,700 million.


Hans

 

[GypsyComet]

Well, if it isn't making sense, consider ignoring it.

 

[Timerover51]

Well, if it isn't making sense, consider ignoring it.

Or admit that canon is a maze of contradictory statements, and determine as to which statement applies in a given situation, and make a moderate attempt at being consistent.

 

[GypsyComet]

Or admit that canon is a maze of contradictory statements, and determine as to which statement applies in a given situation, and make a moderate attempt at being consistent.

Which is to say: pick a source. If the CT Alien book's map is your authoritative source, you ignore Spirelle.

 

[rancke]

Which is to say: pick a source. If the CT Alien book's map is your authoritative source, you ignore Spirelle.

And place Droyne worlds at quite different spots than the other sources place them. The map in Droyne is highly inaccurate.


Hans

 

[Timerover51]

The Traveller Wiki gives Spirelle 95 million Droyne out of a 723 million. Also says that the humans are squeezing the Droyne out, which is more than bit odd, as the land surface of Spirelle is actually larger than the land surface of Earth, given the lower hydrographic factor.

However, as it does not show up in the Droyne Alien module, I figure on ignoring it. That Droyne population would be greater than the populations on Candory and Andor, and as such, should have shown up in the module.

Edit Note: The Traveller Map does not show any Droyne on Spirelle, but does show the Droyne on Candory and Andor, and the Chirper population on Vanejen in the Rhylanor Subsector. Therefore, is seems quite reasonable to ignore the claim.