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Define 'Sophant'

Hecateus

SOC-12
When was this first coined, and what exactly does it mean?
...such that it is different from Sentient: To be aware; and Sapient: to be wise

I can't find any such word in the standard dictionary or Dictionary.com; google lists sci-fi references [edit] which more or less suggest an interstellar travelling/colonizing quality[/edit]; more or less logical use of the root words suggest: one who can communicate.

What is it to you?
 
Originally posted by Hecateus:
I can't find any such word in the standard dictionary or Dictionary.com; google lists sci-fi references [edit] which more or less suggest an interstellar travelling/colonizing quality[/edit]; more or less logical use of the root words suggest: one who can communicate.

What is it to you?
It's spelt "SOPHONT" (two O's) - though that doesn't seem to help in the case of dictionary.com.

I thought it meant the same as 'sentient'. I didn't know it wasn't a real word (or at least, not an officially accepted one). Then again, dictionary.com isn't exactly the best dictionary on the planet.
 
aw crud.

[edit]though 'sophant' still brings up a fair number of links on Google. So I guess it is an alternative spelling, similar to:
armor/armour
theater/theatre
etc.
 
Couldn't find it on M-W either.

I think the intended difference is that "sophont" is a noun, whereas "sentient" and "sapient" are adjectives.
 
"Sophont
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

"Sophont" is a term (derived from Greek) for an intelligent being (including non-human forms of life), most commonly used in science fiction. It was coined by Karen Anderson, the wife of the author Poul Anderson, and used by Poul in various of his stories from the mid-1960s onwards. It has gradually increased usage amongst other science fiction authors."

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophont
 
[edit]though 'sophant' still brings up a fair number of links on Google. So I guess it is an alternative spelling, similar to: armor/armour
theater/theatre etc. [/QB]
No, it's because other people mis-spell it (you'll find plenty of examples of words mis-spelt like that if you search)
. It always has two O's.
 
Originally posted by Evil Dr Ganymede:
]No, it's because other people mis-spell it (you'll find plenty of examples of words mis-spelt like that if you search)
. It always has two O's.
In fact, CotI's own Baron Saarthurian just released some sort of Spohont identification or description form. I'm sure he meant Sophont, but his tyipng sklils wree substelalr.... ;)

Yes, it is Sophont. And it does derive from some form of ancient greek and I saw a long argument and set of definitions presented a year or two back, only I forget which list I'm subscribed to it was upon.... so sadly I can't provide a reference.

To me, it means an intelligent being. Now, what does *THAT* mean? Since my definition would include the Cymbelline Chips, Dolphins, Vargr (well, on some days...), various Humans, etc. - it's kind of slippery. It might be as simple as being self-aware and capable of intellectual development - the capacity for growth strikes me as a key component of intelligence. Self-aware may boil down to the understanding "I think, therefore I am."
 
Originally posted by Hecateus:
Wikipedia is down :(

how would you differentiate between:
person
sentient
sapient
and sophont?
Hmmm on a practical level I don't think I would.

Sapient and Sophont are to my mind, different words for the same thing. They are, to me, scientific terms describing cognitive 'boiling point' that separates 'sapiens' from other similiar species. They describe a biological or Zoological quality.

Personhood is a philospical (and thus moral and thus legal ) concept. For me, ideally, I would argue that Sapience is the sole criteria for Personhood, making the two concepts pragmatically interchangable.

Let me throw another concept into the mix.

how would you differentiate:

Person

from

Citizen?
 
Sentient: Conscious, experiencing sensation or feeling, having faculties of sensation, endowed with feeling and unstructured consciousness. My dog is Sentient. My Cat is arguably so. I certainly am.

Sapient: Having great wisdom and discernment, wise, sage, acutely discerning, insightful, observant, thoughtful. This suggests to me to require something more than the inscrutable Wisdom of Cats or the highly sensitive judgement of character possessed by Dogs. I think this requires intelligence, which may in turn require communication, in order for concepts like language, discernment, and structured thought to really apply.

Sophont: Intelligent being (including aliens)

Person:
1. A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson; spokesperson; salesperson.
2. An individual of specified character: a person of importance.
3. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
4. The living body of a human: searched the prisoner's person.
5. Physique and general appearance.
6. Law. A human or organization with legal rights and duties.
7. A living, self-conscious being, as distinct from an animal or a thing; a moral agent; a human being; a man, woman, or child.

With thanks to dictionary.com

Citizen versus Person: Any being that is self-conscious (Conscious of the meaning of self and its own selfness) is a Person, if you are willing to stretch beyond the humanocentric definitions of personhood. A Citizen is someone belonging to a polity of some sort, generally by birth, sometimes admitted to citizenship by other means, and that citizenship entails responsibilities, duties and legal limitations and confers (in some cases) protections and rights.
 
I would differentiate Sophont from Sapient (appart from being a Greek word for the same thing in Latin [wise]) by saying the former has more to do with communication.

Machines are becoming much more self aware (sentient) these days; A few, such as Deep Space 1 probe (very basic sapient), are capable of learning abstract specialized wisdom; but a Sophont is capable of communicating abstract wisdom; ie, teaching. [edit]and such a teacher must be sapient enough to know that it is teaching the subject it knows. ...as opposed to calling www.google.com a Sophont being. ;) [/edit]

This is just my opinion.
 
To me, it means an intelligent being. Now, what does *THAT* mean?

At the risk of sounding like a Trekkie, the Klingons differentiate between "people" and "animals" by which one they can communicate with or which uses a recognizable language. A person, you can talk to. Sophonts would be "people".

As for "Citizen" and "Person" this appears to be more of a legal or political distinction. A citizen would have certain rights AND responsibilities that a person would not. Children are people, but you wouldn't let them vote, or get hold of your meson gun.
 
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