Daryen die-back in the Galaxiad

[acgetchell]

Using SectorMaker, I pulled down the Spinward Marches in the Galaxiad era and was interested to see that Daryen is E463624-2.

I supposed they messed with the stellar trigger a time too often.

 

[Timerover51]

Using SectorMaker, I pulled down the Spinward Marches in the Galaxiad era and was interested to see that Daryen is E463624-2.

I supposed they messed with the stellar trigger a time too often.

Are you referring to Darrian, Spinward Marches 0627?

 

[aramis]

Are you referring to Darrian, Spinward Marches 0627?

Darrian is changed to Daryen in CT AM8....

 

[Timerover51]

Darrian is changed to Daryen in CT AM8....

Today, the world Darrian is a part of the Darrian Confederation, which includes 18 of the 28 worlds in the subsector. It also includes three of the worlds in the neighboring Querion subsector.

Page 2 of my digital copy of Alien Module 8. Throughout the module, the planet is referred to as "Darrian". The Traveller Wikipedia also refers to the planet as "Darrian".

 

[mike wightman]

You need to read page 2 again as it also says:

The homeworld Darrian ("Daryen" in their own
language) lies on one edge of the Darrian Cluster.

AM:8, like all the AMs, are written from an Imperial author's point of view, and they are often an unreliable narrator.

 

[agorski]

Using SectorMaker, I pulled down the Spinward Marches in the Galaxiad era and was interested to see that Daryen is E463624-2.

When I was updating SectorMaker and adding the 'milieu' feature, it was interesting to see the data that was in TravellerMap for other eras. Not much there yet for the Galaxiad.

For those not using SectorMaker, you can add the milieu as an option in a query to TravellerMap. Check the API for details.

 

[mike wightman]

I supposed they messed with the stellar trigger a time too often.

My alternative take on it for MTU is they may have achieved the T5 tech singularity (with help from Grandfather but that is another tale) and then some opted for peaceful pastoral existence, just like in the happy times pre-Itzin contact.

Course their super advanced ascended relatives that now keep an eye on things from the dimensions beyond pop by every now and then...

 

[Condottiere]

Indiana Jones and Reverse Engineering The Ark Found In The Temple of Boom.

 

[Timerover51]

You need to read page 2 again as it also says:

I read all of page 2, and noted that comment. The term appears 3 times in the entire module.

AM:8, like all the AMs, are written from an Imperial author's point of view, and they are often an unreliable narrator.

If they are "unreliable narrators" as you say, then why should any attention be paid to the information in the module. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot call the authors "unreliable" and the call the module "canon". It is one or the other.

 

[ShawnDriscoll]

If they are "unreliable narrators" as you say, then why should any attention be paid to the information in the module. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot call the authors "unreliable" and the call the module "canon". It is one or the other.

Canon is metagaming. I prefer the other when role-playing.

 

[acgetchell]

Are you referring to Darrian, Spinward Marches 0627?

Daryen, Spinward Marches 0627, yes.

 

[inexorabletash]

Ermagrrrrrrd! How much did you agonize when you learned what people from Germany called their country? Names and language are complicated, yo.

Also: The Wave. It's a hell of a thing.

 

[mike wightman]

I read all of page 2, and noted that comment. The term appears 3 times in the entire module.

I can find the word daryen in only one other place:
"Daryen: Te-zlodh word for world; native name for the Darrian homeworld." AM:8 page 28

If they are "unreliable narrators" as you say, then why should any attention be paid to the information in the module. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot call the authors "unreliable" and the call the module "canon". It is one or the other.

It is how the authors chose to reveal the secrets within the setting as a whole. Or rather hid the secrets and left clues so that if you 'read between the lines' you can find them.

The word canon is used to denote an original source holy book - it shouldn't really be used but hey, that boat sailed a long time ago. Note that just because something is canon that doesn't make it true, but that discussion is religious and therefore banned.

Sadly far too many people missed this nuance back in the day and as the Imperium moved from grey hat to white hat the Imperial propaganda was taken as gospel.

 

[aramis]

. You cannot call the authors "unreliable" and the call the module "canon". It is one or the other.

Actually, you can. It's in fact been the standard for a number of RPG publishers.

Keep in mind: Canon literally just means a list of things a on a specific list of items approved by some authority...

Note several things are actually in universe, despite being strongly mechanical, for the OTU; these include UWPs, UPPs, and USPs.

All the alien modules are written in an authoritative but in-universe narrator mode; the referee's section clarifies certain items, but not all.

Marc considers every edition canonical. And only a couple items are non-canonical... (TCS and Striker budges being the biggest, and CT 1E Jump Torps are a strong second.)

 

[Condottiere]

 

[kilemall]

Man I loved the currency valuation tables of TCS and Striker, SOOOO much twisted fun to be had with the implications. And arguably they aren't steep enough.



The devaluation of a planet's TL and the fiscal implications is a MAJOR storyline IMTU.

 

[Timerover51]

Ermagrrrrrrd! How much did you agonize when you learned what people from Germany called their country? Names and language are complicated, yo.

Also: The Wave. It's a hell of a thing.

On the CIA World Factbook, for this year, Germany is referred to as "Germany", not whatever the Germans call it.

 

[vegas]

Wrong again:

local long form: Bundesrepublik Deutschland

local short form: Deutschland

 

[mike wightman]

On the CIA World Factbook, for this year, Germany is referred to as "Germany", not whatever the Germans call it.

That's because it it written by an American author for an American audience.

Germans do not call their country Germany just because the US CIS write it in a book.

And as vegas has quoted, the Germanic name is given.

 

[Grav_Moped]

Man I loved the currency valuation tables of TCS and Striker, SOOOO much twisted fun to be had with the implications. And arguably they aren't steep enough.



The devaluation of a planet's TL and the fiscal implications is a MAJOR storyline IMTU.

Is this an actual TL drop, or the threat of a (possibly false) reduction of the official UWP rating? Either one could be interesting.

MTU has a world that for a brief period punched well above its TL with prototype tech (Collace/District 268), and reverted back because it wasn't sustainable/profitable.

Interestingly, working backward from the TL table in LBB3:'81, the unmodified 1D TL roll for TL13 Collace must have been a 6 (+4 from starport, +1 from atmosphere, +2 from population). This implies that they're at the limits of their ability to advance unless they upgrade the starport -- then they're on the way to TL15 as the improved starport affects their TL.

Even more interesting, nearby TL12 Trexalon had to have rolled a 7!? (Their only DMs are starport +4, Gov't +1.) I'll grant that the wiki description effectively changes the atmosphere from 7 to at best 3, possibly 1, by turning most of it into ice -- but since it's not in the UWP, it shouldn't affect the TL during worldgen*. This suggests that their starport is better than Class B but not quite Class A (giving a +5 DM instead of the +4). Or have I missed something from either the '77 rules or some missing errata?




*This further supports my hypothesis that Trexalon was written as a near-peer competitor for Collace, and had its numbers fudged to make it that way.