CT Errata TCS clarification - Wellington

[Matt123]

Wellington is described at 0% water, Corrosive atmosphere, No Ocean Refueling.

Other worlds have "Ice-capped" or "Desert World" clearly indicating whether wilderness refueling is possible.

So... does Wellington with its 0% water have an Ice-cap under its Corrosive atmospere. Both Desert & Ice-capped worlds also have 0% water but also pretty benign atmospheres.

Does the "No Ocean Refueling" on a 0% water world "obviously" indicate ice caps are present for wilderness refueling or is it indicating (poorly) that no wilderness refueling is allowed.

 

[dean]

First, I believe the 0% doesn't refer to liquid "water", but it's hydrographic percentage - water in all states (liquid, gas, solid).

So, a world that has a zero hyd has no water of any sort - including ice caps - worth trying to harvest.

The Atmosphere, being corrosive, would not be skimmable for refueling, so I would have to say at this location, no refueling is possible.

 

[rancke]

Hydrographic percentage refer to the surface area covered by liquid, regardless of the nature of that liquid[*]. So on worlds with atmospheres A, B, and C, it's not water.

[*] Except that water ice is included in the percentage, which is why you can have a hydrosphere on a vacuum world. No one is going to get away with accusing GDW of excessive self-consistency!​

Hans

 

[aramis]

Water ice is still fluid, albeit exceedingly slow moving.

 

[Matt123]

Ahh, I misread the stats on the other worlds, the 3 Ice-capped worlds have 10-20% water but 0 Atmosphere (vacuum), the Desert world has 0% water, as does Wellington.

Personally, I am leaning towards Wellington being a really nasty Desert world.

Don, if you are reading this can you add a clarification one way or the other to the next version of your errata. ta.

 

[DonM]

Not understanding the clarification required. On TCS page 42, it states:

"The world data listings also indicate miscellaneous data for the star system. If there is a gas giant present in the system to allow refueling, the notation G is provided. If a world has a hydrographic percentage greater than zero and an atmosphere of the proper type, ships may refuel from its oceans. In the event that the world has no atmosphere (or only trace atmosphere), the world will have little or no water available for ocean refueling; however, if there is some surface water available, the notation ice-capped will be made, indicating that the water for fuel must be mined. If the atmosphere is exotic or worse, local water will not be available even though the world has a non-zero hydrographic percentage. In such cases, the world will be noted no ocean refueling."

What clarification are you asking for?

 

[Matt123]

Not understanding the clarification required. On TCS page 42, it states:
...

What clarification are you asking for?

Ahh, that paragraph will do nicely

Noted for future referance thank you Don.

 

[Matt123]

Not understanding the clarification required. On TCS page 42, it states:

"The world data listings also indicate miscellaneous data for the star system. If there is a gas giant present in the system to allow refueling, the notation G is provided. If a world has a hydrographic percentage greater than zero and an atmosphere of the proper type, ships may refuel from its oceans. In the event that the world has no atmosphere (or only trace atmosphere), the world will have little or no water available for ocean refueling; however, if there is some surface water available, the notation ice-capped will be made, indicating that the water for fuel must be mined. If the atmosphere is exotic or worse, local water will not be available even though the world has a non-zero hydrographic percentage. In such cases, the world will be noted no ocean refueling."

Umm, I shouldn't have been so hasty but that paragraph was a surprise

The bold section only applies if the Hydro is 'non-zero' while Wellington's Hydro is 0. Making the 'No ocean refueling' incorrect (& leading to questions/debates regarding whether an Ice Cap is present.)

'Desert World' is the correct descriptor, as noted in the Book 3 page 10, Hydrographics Table.

"Hydrographics
Digit....Description
0.........No free standing water. Desert."

Cheers

PS. just clicked that you may be asking where the correction is meant to be applied. TCS page 46. Remarks for Wellington.
Change "Controlled by Esperanza. No ocean refueling." to "Controlled by Esperanza. Desert World."

 

[pendragonman]

Again, I have to agree with Hans.

A zero hydrographic means that there is zero surface water present. This does not preclude aquifers or other subterranean water sources.

 

[Matt123]

Yes, per Book 3 "Worlds and Adventure" page 10.

Hydrographics table

[FONT=arial,helvetica]"Hydrographics
Digit....Description
0.........No free standing water. Desert."

The "No Ocean Refueling" is for worlds with Hydro 1+ and Atmos A+. (per the paragraph quoted by Don earlier)

Wellington Hydro is 0 = "No free standing water. Desert."

Other worlds in the Island Clusters topography with Hydro 0, just state "Desert". The same should be applied to Wellington.
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