Bye, T20 - Hello T2x10!

[Gnusam Netor]

Yes, a thought occured to me while I out of desperation for never playing any Traveller of any sorts, I sat down and created a character for T20.
An Academic/Rogue/Marine and yes Mal, a mirror of my character in your CT campaign

- but for T20.

What if you replaced the d20 with 2d10?

Advantages:
* The bell-curve. I like bell-curves, I see them everywhere...

* More in line with MT's UTP.
disadvantages:
* One extra step of calculating the skillroll, saveroll and any d20 roll.
*The average is slightly higher with 2d10 (11), compared to 1d20 (10.5).
* it is not the d20 system I guess.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[mike wightman]

I've used this method, for both d20 and D&D.

I prefer it.

If you want to keep criticals then consider changing the threat level - the natural roll of the 2d10 needed to threaten a critical:
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">D20 crit 2d10 crit
threat threat
20 18+
19 17+
18 16+
17 15+</pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[Gnusam Netor]

Ahh, you are one step ahead of me, I hadn't even considered the critranges.

if I understand you correctly, you replace a crit of 20 with 18+ for 2d10 , thusly:

(It fits surprisingly well, downto atleast 17(d20)/15(2d10))

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">roll D20 odds 2d10 odds

20 5/100 1/100
19+ 10/100 3/100
18+ 15/100 6/100
17+ 20/100 10/100
16+ 25/100 15/100
15+ 30/100 21/100
14+ 35/100 28/100</pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[mike wightman]

Yup, that's it exactly.

As I said, I've used it for a while

I even suggested it as a consideration for the T5 task system

I also started using characteristic damage in T20/T2x10, to more closely mimic CT...

 

[Gnusam Netor]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Yup, that's it exactly.

As I said, I've used it for a while

ok, you are smarter than me, I keep hearing that ever so often.

 

[Flynn]

WOTC published a variant rule in their big tome of variants, Unearthed Arcana, that converts D20 rolls to 3d6. The basics can be found here:
http://d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/bellCurveRolls.htm

Not exactly what you are looking at, but it is an alternate approach for those that would rather roll multiple d6's instead of a d20.

Enjoy,
Flynn

 

[Ptah]

Sigg, I never knew.

Do you have a 2D10 or D10 based Task resolution mechanic? I assume the answer is yes and I just need to find the right thread?


Gnusam, I've used 2D10 for some time as well also converting fro a d20 linear based mechanic. I can e-mail you conversion statistics from d20 to 2D10 or simply e-mail an Excel sheet with the percentages etc. for a couple of dice combinations including 3D6.

By conversion I mean, e.g., if you needed a 13+ to "hit" on 1d20 what would you need on 2D10 so the odds would be the same. Also I've some conversions for modifiers.

On critical hits/failures, another approach when you have 2 dice is to let doubles represent a critical hit or failure. If you hit and get a double it is critical, if you fail and get a double it is a critical failure. All in an effort to reduce what I need to remember/look-up. If interested I can discuss the pros/cons and modifications of this versus typical d20 based approaches.

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Why is everyone hating on number 1? It truly is the lonliest number! You 2d10 guys think about poor old 1 next time you reach for the polyhedrons...

Don't make me start a "Save Number 1" PR campaign...

 

[stofsk]

But... I like the d20...

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Hear Hear, fellow Isocaheronalist!

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by Baron Saarthuran von Gushiddan:
Why is everyone hating on number 1? It truly is the lonliest number! You 2d10 guys think about poor old 1 next time you reach for the polyhedrons...

Don't make me start a "Save Number 1" PR campaign...

It's a Traveller tradition - there's no number one on a roll of 2d6 (except with DMs ).

 

[Gnusam Netor]

Originally posted by Baron Saarthuran von Gushiddan:
Why is everyone hating on number 1? It truly is the lonliest number! You 2d10 guys think about poor old 1 next time you reach for the polyhedrons...

Don't make me start a "Save Number 1" PR campaign...

[/QB]

Ohhh, i'm so scared, what are you going to do ? stand alone?

(you know, because you can't stand together with someone, that would make you two)

 

[Gnusam Netor]

Originally posted by Ptah:
Gnusam, I've used 2D10 for some time as well also converting fro a d20 linear based mechanic. I can e-mail you conversion statistics from d20 to 2D10 or simply e-mail an Excel sheet with the percentages etc. for a couple of dice combinations including 3D6.

ohhh, gimme, gimme, gimme... ok i'll mess you my email.

Originally posted by Ptah:

By conversion I mean, e.g., if you needed a 13+ to "hit" on 1d20 what would you need on 2D10 so the odds would be the same. Also I've some conversions for modifiers.

I'm interrested to hear more, allthough i have to admit that part of the reason for going over to 2d10 for me, is that it would serve as a "in between" between "take 10" and d20. I kind of want the hitprobabilies to change, but not the critranges.

 

[Pickles]

I've been using 2d10 for decades. Mind you, the red one is tens, the white one is units ...

 

[Ptah]

Why is everyone hating on number 1? It truly is the lonliest number! You 2d10 guys think about poor old 1 next time you reach for the polyhedrons...

Who is Number 1?
You are Number 6.
I am Number 2.

I find it best no to ask too many questions about Number 1.

 

[Cymew]

I'm not a number! I'm a free man!

 

[Ptah]

Originally posted by Cymew:
I'm not a number! I'm a free man!

Who are you working for?

 

[Cymew]

*ahem*

Let's not hijack this thread beyond recognition, right?

(BTW my store of lines from The Prisoner is limited anyway...)

 

[Pickles]

T20? Be seeing you!

There - back on topic, and in keeping with the Prisoner theme ...