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[robject]

The issue is the same as that of the OTU: a consistent publishable setting.

Since Sunbane generated its data, there has been interest in at least fixing inconsistencies in that data set against Atlas of the Imperium - which is what Far Trader and I did back a few years ago. I believe at least some of that data has propagated into Travellermap.com.

Similarly, Don McKinney has worked over the Spinward Marches; those changes are planned to go into Travellermap, if they're not there already.

 

[Dragoner]

Theta Borealis was the sector featured in all the Group One products. The significant race in that area, the Zerp, were referred to as the Jaibok in the HIWG files. (And a lost colony of Zerp settled on Yori in my Landgrab of Yori.)

Group One split off from Judges Guild but held an independant Traveller licence. As far as I'm aware their products were never officially decanonised (more by oversight than intent).

Is there a link to any of that stuff? I am developing Theta Borealis, along with Fulani, Aston and Thera for a campaign.

 

[Hemdian]

Is there a link to any of that stuff? I am developing Theta Borealis, along with Fulani, Aston and Thera for a campaign.

Not that I know of.

I have most of the Group One stuff in deadtree form (missing 2 or 3 items) ... I just did a quick check on eBay and saw 2 items that I already have (and not really worth the asking prices). There is an incomplete list on the Traveller Wiki but no actual content.

The HIWG article about the Jaibok I think was on the HIWG CD (bought from BITS).

(The Yori Landgrab wouldn't be relevant for your purposes.)

I suspect what would be most relevant to you is the Theta Borealis Sector supplement itself. I'll see if I can dig it out when I get home tonight and PM you a some sort of summary.

 

[Dragoner]

Not that I know of.

I have most of the Group One stuff in deadtree form (missing 2 or 3 items) ... I just did a quick check on eBay and saw 2 items that I already have (and not really worth the asking prices). There is an incomplete list on the Traveller Wiki but no actual content.

The HIWG article about the Jaibok I think was on the HIWG CD (bought from BITS).

(The Yori Landgrab wouldn't be relevant for your purposes.)

I suspect what would be most relevant to you is the Theta Borealis Sector supplement itself. I'll see if I can dig it out when I get home tonight and PM you a some sort of summary.

Thanks, it would be nice to incorporate what I can. I have been pulling the stellar data off of travellermap; UWP's, etc. (though it changed recently and now the star class etc has been taken off, bummer).

Travellermap also lists data for the Foreven sector; personally from what I see, people either discard most of the OTU or use it and the subsequent data. Which makes the GM reserve sort of useless and as a customer of Traveller products, my main concerns are of material being realistic and interesting.

 

[Gray Pennell]

I am working with cannon/OT universe because 1. I dont have time to make all these worlds and the campaign/adventures. 2. I am doing my game is a remote game, so having a good website allows the players to plot courses etc on their own or with me. I have chosen CT pre 5th FW because all the history is done and I wont be over written. My campaign will then over write the the OT once it gets started.

 

[inexorabletash]

Thanks, it would be nice to incorporate what I can. I have been pulling the stellar data off of travellermap; UWP's, etc. (though it changed recently and now the star class etc has been taken off, bummer).

How are you trying to get the stellar data? It should be served via the SEC API if I have it.

 

[Dragoner]

How are you trying to get the stellar data? It should be served via the SEC API if I have it.

From the sec api, if one looks here:

http://www.travellermap.com/SEC.aspx?sector=Theta Borealis

the format has changed, I used to be able to get the stellar data with it, which I did with Fulani (I checked Fulani and it is different now as well), now it ends at alignment.

 

[inexorabletash]

From the sec api, if one looks here:

http://www.travellermap.com/SEC.aspx?sector=Theta Borealis

the format has changed, I used to be able to get the stellar data with it, which I did with Fulani (I checked Fulani and it is different now as well), now it ends at alignment.

I think I know what's going on.

Neither of the datafiles I use for Fulani nor Theta Borealis have stellar data, going back as far as my version control records show (2006). It appears as though I used the data from Galactic via Anthony Jackson's (defunct) online map, which credits "CORE": http://web.archive.org/web/20061116182257/http://maps.travellercentral.com/sec/f5.fulani_sec.html

However, checking the CORE source at

Theta Borealis: http://www.ocean-of-storms.com/core/astrogat/g4.htm
Fulani: http://www.ocean-of-storms.com/core/astrogat/f5.htm

... these do have stellar data. At one point recently the footer on the map changed from linking to the original source to linking to the SEC API. The SEC API itself didn't change. But as a user of the site, you went from seeing one data source to another.

I'll pull in the more complete data from CORE for the relevant sectors ASAP.

 

[Hemdian]

I was going to PM this but changed my mind. I found the original Theta Borealis supplement. The data is different from that shown on CORE. I quickly knocked up something in Traveller Universe (I haven't entered the UPPs yet):

(Additionally, the Group One data has world names but no stellar data, and shows the routes for three major shipping lines. Korumug and Peladon ships are 200-1200 dtons TL A, Trooles ships are 300-1800 dtons TL B, independant merchants are 100-600 dtons TL?, and pirates are 100-600 dtons TL B.)

 

[inexorabletash]

I'll pull in the more complete data from CORE for the relevant sectors ASAP.

This should be complete. Full change list at: http://travellermap.blogspot.com/2012/01/core-stellar-data.html

 

[Murph]

Wow did the Traveller Map last night, and you can d/l sector maps in color. D/l'ed several, and am going to print them out on my Epson 4880 photo printer tonight.

 

[Dragoner]

I was going to PM this but changed my mind. I found the original Theta Borealis supplement. The data is different from that shown on CORE. I quickly knocked up something in Traveller Universe (I haven't entered the UPPs yet):
(Additionally, the Group One data has world names but no stellar data, and shows the routes for three major shipping lines. Korumug and Peladon ships are 200-1200 dtons TL A, Trooles ships are 300-1800 dtons TL B, independant merchants are 100-600 dtons TL?, and pirates are 100-600 dtons TL B.)

Nice. Any statistics on the Zerp? Such as homeworld UWP or their physical stats and other details like their relationship with the Zhodani? They look to be somewhat like the Ottomans, which can be very cool. The downside of what I can see is that the stars seem to be in a different place and I have already pulled the data from Travellermap. What is the time frame of the supplement, as MTU, which I am thinking of calling Far Traveller if that name hasn't been used, is 1323 Imperial, 75 years after 1248. If the data from Group One is 1100's that is good because it will make a good background history for my era.

 

[Hemdian]

Any statistics on the Zerp? Such as homeworld UWP or their physical stats and other details like their relationship with the Zhodani?

The notes I have with me say the Zerp are 2 meter tall bipedal omnivores. They weigh from 40 to 150 kilograms and have two arms. They have 2 eyes in the front of their head with 2 ears above and a many-toothed mouth below. They can see in both normal light and in infrared. They appear to be vaguely reptilian but are actually warm-blooded. Attributes as Human except STR=3d6 and END=3d6. (There is also a cheesy 50's style humanoid monster drawing with bulging biceps and talloned claw-like hands.)

IIRC the Zerp homeworld does not appear on the map. Given the shape of the Korsumug Empire borders I'd guess it's in the next sector spinward, probably the adjacent subsector.

There is no mention of the Zhodani (or 3I or anybody else). I would guess there is the rare occasional Zho scout but for the most part the Zhodani are ignoring this region. Makes for a nice forgotten backwater feel with everyone puttering around at jump-1. And if you have PCs misjump in from the 3I they might find themselves being pursued by all factions for their high tech ship (you could do a riff on Blakes7).

When I get home tonight I'll check. If I got anything wrong I'll post an update.

The downside of what I can see is that the stars seem to be in a different place and I have already pulled the data from Travellermap.

Yes, very different placings. There is no correlation between the two.

What is the time frame of the supplement, as MTU, which I am thinking of calling Far Traveller if that name hasn't been used, is 1323 Imperial, 75 years after 1248. If the data from Group One is 1100's that is good because it will make a good background history for my era.

It didn't explicitly say. But as it was published in 1981 I would say it is the same as GDW at that time ... 1107-ish?

 

[Dragoner]

IMTU, the sectors were settled in succeeding waves of refugees, helped by the Zhodani, the last act of the Zhodani Consulate before it was destroyed. here is a logo of one of the states, the Republic of Terrelay:

Thanks for the info on the states and Zerp, I already have some good ideas for their inclusion. Zerp sound alot like the Ithklur, maybe a displaced branch, this one without Santa Claus.

 

[Dragoner]

This should be complete. Full change list at: http://travellermap.blogspot.com/2012/01/core-stellar-data.html

Thanks, I got the new sec files with the data.

 

[Starviking]

The draft of DGP's "Grand Explorations", available on the HIWG CD had quite a bit on the Zerp, IIRC.

Nice. Any statistics on the Zerp? Such as homeworld UWP or their physical stats and other details like their relationship with the Zhodani? They look to be somewhat like the Ottomans, which can be very cool. The downside of what I can see is that the stars seem to be in a different place and I have already pulled the data from Travellermap. What is the time frame of the supplement, as MTU, which I am thinking of calling Far Traveller if that name hasn't been used, is 1323 Imperial, 75 years after 1248. If the data from Group One is 1100's that is good because it will make a good background history for my era.

 

[Dragoner]

The draft of DGP's "Grand Explorations", available on the HIWG CD had quite a bit on the Zerp, IIRC.

What is the HIWG CD? Where do you get it?

 

[Space Hamster]

I am not sure what HIWG is, but the only legitimate CDs to be sold for Traveller are sold here.
http://www.farfuture.net/

 

[Starviking]

What is the HIWG CD? Where do you get it?

HIWG was the History of the Imperium Working Group - a fan-based effort that added a lot of detail to the Imperium and its surrounds. Maybe a decade ago they released a CD compiling their efforts. If you do a search for it on CoTI you might get more info on it.

 

[Dragoner]

I am not sure what HIWG is, but the only legitimate CDs to be sold for Traveller are sold here.
http://www.farfuture.net/

HIWG was the History of the Imperium Working Group - a fan-based effort that added a lot of detail to the Imperium and its surrounds. Maybe a decade ago they released a CD compiling their efforts. If you do a search for it on CoTI you might get more info on it.

Thanks, that is what I thought, a precursor to DGP? I have most of the Traveller disks from FFE.