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Artificial Intelligence

The latest Battlestar remake got me thinking about androids, so Im curious...What role does artificial intelligence play in YTU? Im interested to know if your using advanced robotics or even android technology in your campaigns, and what there roles are. Also, what are your sources for such technology?

Happy Holidays :D

tmondragon
 
Yep, read Asimov's "I, Robot" and Simak's "City" (Jenkins). Both have pretty single-minded servants of man-kind , but not exactly emotionless.

Pappy
 
Simple answers, yes to the use of advanced androids/robots (TL15/16) and the source material is Book 8 Robots.
To begin with I had a rogue AI space fighter that had to be tracked down and eliminated (basically a robot brain replacing the crew requirements of a 5 t fighter). That lead the PCs to discover illegal weapons research in robotic BattleSuits, vehicles and the like.
Next came the r&d androids that escaped and had to be tracked down. The PCs ended up helping them get off planet by mistake and became hunted as well.
I'm looking forward to introducing AI chips/robots based on the Cymbeline chip and Virus, although they are technically not AI just I in their own right ;) .
 
I don't know whether this will help or not, but there should be two examples of AI robots in the forthcoming TA#9, Robots of Charted Space, one at TL15 and one at TL17.

Enjoy,
Flynn
 
Yes Lots of AI in MTU.

My campaign is TNE based. The Virus has generally had scientific collapse to TL13 except in computer sciences where its higher than the imperium norm. Yet its not considered to be true AI because of its silicon based lifeform roots.

The Imperium was pushing cutting edge TL17 advanced true AI. Avatars were beginning to be used to backup Nobles, Manage Depots and capital ship fleet control functions. Furthermore, At TL17 system defenses were sufficient to protect these few machines from anything short of a controlled environment virus incursion.

The Zho, Aslan and Vargr have no use for AI.
Solomani have basic AI's but prefer biological
solutions.

Savage
 
Wasn't there a Challenge mag that had a robot that became aware after an altercation with Virus? Something about he wrapped himself up so no one knew he wasn't human and flew around as a Trader in the Spinward Marches...

Scout
 
There are at least two different kinds of AI that should be dealt with in any Traveller milieu.

First, expert systems. The simplest form is a database of answers and a heuristic means of choosing answers based on the question asked. A computer chess program is the most familiar form of this type of AI.

There is much potential for automation control via expert system in Traveller. For example, any process heavily dependent on mathematical algorithm and database lookup (eg, Jump navigation) could be handled by an ES.

Humans (at least us 21st cen Solomani types ;) ) don't like the idea of trusting critical processes to automation. For example, aircraft take-off and landing could probably be handled either by onboard "autopilot" or by ground control. We'd rather have a human subject to lack of sleep or intoxication kill us than a computer glitch. But at some point computer technology could be stable enough to trust (perhaps hardcoded and thoroughly tested OS and applications to prevent tampering).

Second, the classic neural network. It is a self-organizing database. The relationships between objects in the database are learned rather than dictated at the most basic level. At present neural nets are undependable. It is too hard to tell what kind of relationships and comparisons are being drawn.

It should be entirely possible to make intricate expert systems that could never come close to independent thought, but neural nets are specifically designed to be independent. This is the kind envisioned as becoming true machine intelligence.
 
Over the years I've started using more and more AIs IMTU. In fact, the AIs IMTU aren't true AIs, but only near AIs - able to learn from experience, make educated guesses (but not intuitive guesses) and have convincing emotion simulation (but no true feelings, per se, enough to express limited empathy tho'). They're not overly powerful nor everyhere, but they do exist outside research stations, e.g. most starship main computers are in fact AI computers (with heavy-duty security measures vs. rampancy, including a kill switch). However, to be able to "host" an AI requires so much computer horsepower and fast "cash" memory, that hand computers (and the like) cannot have AIs. Also IMTU, an AI comp requires a licence (registering etc.) and they're mostly granted only for "professional" use. BTW, AIs make wonderful NPCs.

I have no androids IMTU, but I do have "protocol robots" that are quite intelligent, not AI quality, but intelligent enough to, for instance, act as personal servants. These have obviously robotic appearances though, so no one can mistake these for a human. IMHO, to make a convincing android would require an awful lot of "cosmetic stuff." Stuff that's not going to make an android very cost effective when compared to a similar intelligence robot.

Dameon, do you mean Aybee from DGP's Travellers' Digest magazines? An android (or pseudobiological robot as it was called) that eventually gained true artificial intelligence.
 
I think if one is to use AI Robots, why not go all out and build a campaign setting for them. I was reading the Asimov Robot Series Novel, "The Caves of Steel" Basically there are two parts to this setting, there is Earth with a population of 8 billion and 50 "Spacer" Worlds or outer worlds. I thing you could use the 2300 map to find suitable stars for these "Spacer" Worlds. On Earth people live in massive indoor cities and no human being ventures outside although the air is perfectly breathable, they also avoid robots as they consider these to be job stealers. Most of humanity on Earth live in these cities and their resources are stretched thin, they grow yeast and various bacterial cultures as the feedstock for their processed food industry and society is organized along socialistic lines. Robots do the farming and mining, but they are mostly kept away from humans who do everything else.

Then there are the Spacers, the Spacers live on the 50 Spacer worlds, but they have long since stopped colonizing new planets as they consider that activity not worth jeapardizing their long lives on their stable worlds. Spacers have achieved a state of longevity where they typically live as long as 350 years, they also live with robots who do much of the work. The Spacers also have weak immune systems as they have eliminated all germs on their homeworlds and so avoid Earthlings for fear of contamination There are about 5 billion Spacers on all 50 worlds.

The Spacers and the Earthlings are often at odds, the Earth people tend to live in these enclosed cities while the Spacers live in individual homes with entire staffs of Robot servants to tend to their needs.

One could work this into a Traveller Setting
 
My Traveller ship computers are like the computer in the Star Trek films - they understand orders from humans and can communicate with regard to the ship's systems. They do not have self awareness, however (well some might).

I except from this Virus, the Kinunir and the other occasional manifestations of computer intelligence.
 
IMTU (993 T20) there are some 'intelligent' robots and computer systems. Not true AI's as yet, more expert systems that would probably fail a Turing test quite quickly.

One example so far encountered by the party was the server droid at a High Port's bar: "May I help Sir and/or Madam?" - it hadn't encountered (or been programmed to recognise) female Aslan before :)

I'm toying with the idea of having the player's new ship have a computer that's a bit more intelligent than they were expecting...

Anton
 
Share and Enjoy
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Journey through life
With a plastic boy
Or Girl by your side
Let your pal be your guide
And when it breaks down
Or starts to annoy
Or grinds when it moves
And gives you no joy
Cos it's eaten your hat
Or had sex with your cat
Bled oil on your floor
Or ripped off your door
You get to the point
You can't stand any more
Bring it to us, we won't give a fig
We'll tell you, 'Go stick your head in a pig'.
 
Sorry, TJP, missed the post. The one I was talking about was from an old Challenge mag that came out when Traveller:TNE was still going. It was a normal robot (not pseudo-bio) that got hit by Virus at one point. Which gave it an artificial intelligence. This robot then wrapped itself in heavy clothes and such and became a Trader in the Spinward Marches and no one knew it was a robot. A rumor was started that "he" was burnt badly in an accident and that's why "he" had to wore all of the coverings.

At least that's how I remember it - and I can't find the mag...

Later,

Scout
 
Here I am, brain the size of a small planet, and all you can think of is for me to make your tea. No, don't mind me, I just have this pain running up and down the diodes on my left side.

Me, I didn't care for the Robot/Caves setting. Nevermind purely intellectual and scientific objections, I don't think human beings can ever be that bland. Some are too smart, some too stupid; either way it keeps things from becoming so staid. Just watch an episode of Cops. I kept reading the books (including quite a few of the later books written by others) thinking they'd get "better" somehow (silly me).
 
"Me, I didn't care for the Robot/Caves setting. Nevermind purely intellectual and scientific objections, I don't think human beings can ever be that bland. Some are too smart, some too stupid; either way it keeps things from becoming so staid. Just watch an episode of Cops. I kept reading the books (including quite a few of the later books written by others) thinking they'd get "better" somehow (silly me)."

I agree that "The Caves of Steel" is somewhat dated, it was first published in 1954. The setting, is somewhat better than that of his Foundation Novels as one for a Traveller Campaign, for one thing the area of space involves only 51 planets instead of a whole Galaxy and that is much easier to Map. The 2300 map can be used for this, just find 50 stars that are close in type to the Sun on that map. The second task is to abstract the Asimov Jump Drive. This is the same sort of drive used in the Foundation Novels. The transition through Hyperspace is instantaneous. the starship has to move a certain distance out of a gravitational well before initiating the jump. To give it Traveller-like speeds, assume the jump drives need to be charged up over a 5 day period before the jump can be initiated, this represents the amount of time that would otherwise be spent in Jump space, no jump fuel is required, you don't even need a fusion power plant, you just need a poser source that is capable of providing the Jump drive's listed EP power requirement over the 5 day period leading up to the jump, this jump charging must occur away from a planets gravitational field otherwise the jump drive loses its charge. The charging itself takes the form of 'stressing' the 'fabric' of space within the jump drive itself. Once this 'stressing' reaches a critical value the 'space' within the jump drive is released and it instantaneously forms a wormhold that swallows the starship and expels in some number of parsecs away. The most typical power plants for starships are atomic fission reactors whose primary fuel is Uranium which must be mined and processed. Uranium mines are therefore strategic assets. AI robots have been standard technology ever since the 21st century, and it is now the year 3000. The Earth has a World Government that is based in Washington DC, in essence the United States has taken over the World, each Nation is now a State and has two Senators and a number of Representatives proportional to its population, the type of government it has is socialist and everyone is guaranteed employment of one sort or another. Finding a job is not a problem, but finding the job you want could be. The presence of AI robots doesn't interfere with this since Socialist economies don't have the relentless drive toward effeciency that capitalist governments have and so there is no pressure to reduce labor costs. An AI robot can do work a human being can, but under the socialist system some jobs are reserved for humans and if this is inefficient, so be it! There are few AI robots on Earth, these robots are a recent introduction by the spacers. Roughly for every 100 humans there is 1 AI robot. The AI robots are basically of human shape, they have 2 arms, 2 legs, a torso and a head, but most of them don't look human, their skin is made out of plastic or metal. Robots that look more human are possible as is the case for R. Daneel Olivaw.

On the spacer Worlds things are different, every family has a number of household robots. I have only read the first book in the series, but I think the Spacer Worlds have a capitalist economy, but with every human an owner of working capital (ie robots) that do all the work.

Earth by the way has been demonitorized, there are jobs, but people aren't paid in Money instead they receive a 'C' rating that entitles them to a number of perks that are provided by the government. The government manufactures all the goods and provides all the services, much like the old Soviet Union used to do, it there fore is resistant to technological change and has been this way for most of the last 1000 years, I believe this development occured in reaction to the fear of job lossed due to AI robots. Robots were outlaws and the economy was later put on a socialist basis to guarantee employment while all the capitalists and industrialist fled to the stars and took their robots with them to become spacers. Some of this is conjecture on my part as I had not read all the books, but it seems to make sence to me.

One big flaw is that their are only 8 billion people on Earth, this is only 2 billion more than we have now. It does not seem to me that adding 2 billion people would require us to live in enclosed cities and cultivate yeast for food instead of traditional crops, but the book was written in 1954, and contains many good nuggets that make sence to me.
 
Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
Share and Enjoy
Share and Enjoy
Journey through life
With a plastic boy
Or Girl by your side
Let your pal be your guide
And when it breaks down
Or starts to annoy
Or grinds when it moves
And gives you no joy
Cos it's eaten your hat
Or had sex with your cat
Bled oil on your floor
Or ripped off your door
You get to the point
You can't stand any more
Bring it to us, we won't give a fig
We'll tell you, 'Go stick your head in a pig'.
but exactly a flattened fifth out of tune...
 
so what ever happened to the bots virus infected?


Also could someone please tell me why in the NE book it shows a large area of space called the "Black Curtain"? what is the Black Curtain?
 
Black curtain:
Just a kind of "point of no return".
The ultimate Bermuda triangle

Ships disappearing.
No information about, whats going on "inside".
But nothing physical.....

Much more information will be given in:
"Bearers of the flame".

Regards,

Mert
 
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